726 - Mind Screw Gaiden, Game Over

[Kairyuu]

Hmm. Natwagon. Could be interesting. I can't really post tonight, but I will comment on everything as early as I can tomorrow.

Note: I am NOT one of those people who says something like that and then ditches.

[Tarhalindur]

Gentlemen, even if there is a mycosynth pit in the game, given what my ability is supposed to do to metal players it might be a better idea to throw Nat in the pit tomorrow (allowing me to nail the super for targeting metal), considering how useful the bonus for targeting metal is.

[Illumina]

I agree with the discussion above, it doesn't seem likely that Nat would be pro-town.

And yeah, I know I was going to post about Vi/tajo earlier. I intend to.

Tajo, how do you reconcile this:

I never said scum didnt get the list.

With this:

Also, I dont think HP is scum. HP would have to be the dumbest player ever to have posted that as scum. Scum would usually join the trend.

I do think that scum didnt get the list

or that prob scum knows there is a list but no more.
WIFOM layers, I know, but I like to think in the most probable situation.

Do you think it's possible that scum didn't receive and note

and

hp isn't scum?

[hp [leaves]]

For Natirasha, we better go with Tar's plan. We could learn whether if he is metal or not and do what is necessary tomorrow.

[malthusis]

Even though I'm lynching Nat, I still want Tajo explain his contradictions or he's definitely on my lynch list for tomorrow.

[Natirasha]

Well, obviously, you intend to continue this inane plan.

Look, Tar, I am town--whether you believe it or not. In fact, I designed my own role just as a counter to your argument in that thread(actually, that's a lie, but the point stills stands). As long as there are failsafes in place(say, only being able to vote for myself and only speaking in defense of myself, no other subjects, on threat of self-modkill).

And, by the way, do you guys really want to kill Jesus Christ?

[forbiddanlight]

And, by the way, do you guys really want to kill Jesus Christ?

Well, they got away with it back in around 33 AD...

(And this statement was going to be a lot more offensive, but I censored it)

[Natirasha]

"Don't think, I'm all in this world
Don't think, I'll be here too long."

I've never heard of this "Mycosynth Pit". May one of you inform me of what it does? Actually never mind, it doesn't exist anyways...
Stef is on V/LA until Jan. 18th.
Also, way to pass the first deadline review.
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[quote="The Ninth Vote Count(AKA the "Tomorrow Comes Today" Vote Count)"]Vote Count
Natirasha(2): forbiddanlight, Malthusis
forbiddanlight(0):
hp [leaves](2): veerus, MafiaSSK
illumina(2): Kairyuu, Tarhalindur
Kairyuu(1): Illumina
Kinetic(0):
MafiaSSK(0):
populartajo(1): Vi
Malthusis(0):
Stef(0):
Tarhalindur(0):
veerus(1): populartajo
Vi (0):
Battle Mage(0):

FoS Count
Natirasha(1): forbiddanlight
forbiddanlight(0):
hp [leaves](0):
illumina(2): Kairyuu, Tarhalindur
Kairyuu(1): hp [leaves]
Kinetic(0):
MafiaSSK(0):
populartajo(3): veerus, Kinetic, Malthusis
Malthusis(0):
Stef(0):
Tarhalindur(0):
veerus(0):
Vi (0):
fluffy bunnies(0):
Floofy bunnies(1): MafiaSSK
lol I am arguing with myself(0):
Poofy Bunnies with Big Floppy Ears(1): Vi[/quote]

[Vi]

Well, obviously, you intend to continue this inane plan.

This sounds obviously staged, like a major villain would suggest.

Look, Tar, I am town--whether you believe it or not. In fact, I designed my own role just as a counter to your argument in that thread(actually, that's a lie, but the point stills stands). As long as there are failsafes in place(say, only being able to vote for myself and only speaking in defense of myself, no other subjects, on threat of self-modkill).

Fascinating.

I would consider a

practical

reason why we shouldn't lynch you to be a defense of yourself, so you should be able to give us one.

And, by the way, do you guys really want to kill Jesus Christ?

That depends. Are you insinuating that your role name is Jesus Christ? And if so, is it the Christian Son of God, or the broadway Superstar?

[MafiaSSK]

Gentlemen, even if there is a mycosynth pit in the game, given what my ability is supposed to do to metal players it might be a better idea to throw Nat in the pit tomorrow (allowing me to nail the super for targeting metal), considering how useful the bonus for targeting metal is.

We can't risk you being scum and getting some double kill.

[populartajo]

Tajo, how do you reconcile this:

I never said scum didnt get the list.

With this:

Also, I dont think HP is scum. HP would have to be the dumbest player ever to have posted that as scum. Scum would usually join the trend.

I do think that scum didnt get the list

or that prob scum knows there is a list but no more.
WIFOM layers, I know, but I like to think in the most probable situation.

Do you think it's possible that scum didn't receive and note

and

hp isn't scum?

You are taking things out of context. In 101 I was saying Vi that "I never said scum didnt get the list" as in "you are scum and therefore you know if scum didnt get or did get the list" In 92 I was trying to find the most prob answer. I was thinking that scum didnt prob get the note because how could it be worded in an ability?
Ability : you know that the town has an ability that lets them know that G-Man from Half-Life is not town-alligned..
How does that make sense?
Or they know that town has some information, therefore take all these fake claims.
If you further read my posts you can realize my process of reasoning: prob G-Man is not mafia but prob third party that was given a safe falseclaim.
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Take in count that I usually posts all my hypothesis in the thread. As the game progresses its pretty obvious some of them make more sense, others not.
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Ok what is this mycosynth pit you are talking about?

[Natirasha]

What do you want to know? I can give you anything I need.

First of all, I am Jesus Christ(from The Holy Bible), the Townie Son of Mod.
I have no factional abilities.
I have 6 active abilities, one of which activates upon my lynch.
I have 1 active ability.

Anything else you want to know?

[populartajo]

What do you want to know? I can give you anything I need.

First of all, I am Jesus Christ(from The Holy Bible), the Townie Son of Mod.
I have no factional abilities.
I have 6 active abilities, one of which activates upon my lynch.
I have 1 active ability.

Anything else you want to know?

Rule 4, plz.

4) But you're not God!

No, apparently I'm a Serial Killer.

[Kairyuu]

@Illumina:

To repeat myself: you're wrong because you refuse to recognize that I misread your post.

I do not refuse to recognize anything. What I refuse to do is acknowledge that you failed to understand a simple paragraph that included several keyword references to the massclaim as being about my reasons for wanting a massclaim.

However, the debate has moved beyond that small part. Insisting that it is the entire argument, as you do here:

That's it. That's what we're fighting about.

is a straw man.

Let's assume for a second that I drop my original assertion about the impossibility as null. I still have all of your actions and reactions to go on from when the debate was still going strong, OMGUS and straw man included. This still leads me to believe that you are the best bet for scum I have right now.

In addition to that, I am still waiting on people to comment (with reasons) on our debate. Once that happens, I can reevaluate the usefulness of continuing it. At this point I think that pushing for your lynch is a good play for today. however, there are other good plays, and yours may take a backseat to others in my mind later in the Day.

Kairyuu, think about this: how many times in an average mafia game do you think people misread posts by mistake?

Reasonably often. However, there are some things that I consider so blatantly obvious that a misreading excuse does not seem likely enough for me to consider.

Also, you lied again. You said that if I brought up some new questioning that you would be all over it. I had several questions in my last big-ish post. You have not responded. Please do. Some of them were serious (the first and last for example).

@Vi:

The first, yes, you are beating a dead horse of an argument.

I do that. Read my wiki.

And these reasons are "because I like arguments and antagonizing people for personal gain".

Yeppers. Except I do not try to purposefully antagonize people. I consider these arguments to be debates, with both me and my opponent butting heads and searching for either holes in argument or a reconciled position that ends in agreement. Of course, the other effect is that if I can get the debate into the center of the town's attention, then it practically forces people to take a side, which gives me information.

I can imagine it's only slightly more annoying to be subjected to than it is to read given that this is your word against Illumina's.

I think that you are somewhat oversimplifying, but not a whole lot. At this point, in my insistence on the point that actually

is

my word against Illumina's, he/she has committed several actions that I consider scummy, including OMGUS and straw manning. However, I do agree that unless you actually realize that I don't intend to be mean when I do this, it is probably quite annoying.

And how do you plan to confirm this? This looks incredibly improbable from my point of view - one scum gets the note and has to pass it to the others without anyone noticing?

Umm. No. There's the point about daytalking that has been mentioned rather often, including by me, in that post you quoted.

lrn2meta

But I dun wanna.

You want to press me on it, you can do my thesis.

Hmm. What class and what sort of thesis?

[Natirasha]

Have you guys ever heard of my actual meta?

One of my things is claiming SK ASAP. That was my way of doing that.

[forbiddanlight]

One of my things is claiming SK ASAP. That was my way of doing that.

Yeah, but you still lied . And as the mod, you are supposed to never directly lie to the players, merely misdirect them (if you want to be a likeable bastard) So, die self aligned die?

[Vi]

What do you want to know? I can give you anything I need.

First of all, I am Jesus Christ(from The Holy Bible), the Townie Son of Mod.
I have no factional abilities.
I have 6 active abilities, one of which activates upon my lynch.
I have 1 active ability.

Anything else you want to know?

As long as there are failsafes in place(say, only being able to vote for myself and only speaking in defense of myself, no other subjects, on threat of self-modkill).

I notice you didn't finish this sentence in 195. What a shame, I'd like to see you modkill yourself based on your non-defense post 202 (nobody asked you for an ability claim, just to verify that you are J.C.).

[Vi]

Umm. No. There's the point about daytalking that has been mentioned rather often, including by me, in that post you quoted.

Soooooooooo... if the scum can daytalk, why didn't they already discuss the note amongst each other? I mean srsly.

Hmm. What class and what sort of thesis?

It's an Honors thesis; 'doesn't really matter what about so long as I put in 150 hours of work between now and the second week of May. Two of my ideas have already crashed and burned, and I need to come up with something else quick. I don't think anything in the realm of Mafia would count, alas.

[forbiddanlight]

It's an Honors thesis; 'doesn't really matter what about so long as I put in 150 hours of work between now and the second week of May. Two of my ideas have already crashed and burned, and I need to come up with something else quick. I don't think anything in the realm of Mafia would count, alas.

You could write a thesis on the flavor of Touhou. Hell, I know a teacher that got away with writing a thesis on the Hawaiian shirt.

[Vi]

It's an Honors thesis; 'doesn't really matter what about so long as I put in 150 hours of work between now and the second week of May. Two of my ideas have already crashed and burned, and I need to come up with something else quick. I don't think anything in the realm of Mafia would count, alas.

You could write a thesis on the flavor of Touhou. Hell, I know a teacher that got away with writing a thesis on the Hawaiian shirt.

Ironic that you mention that given my recent avatar change. (Or did you see my avatar first?)

An essay on Japanese culture as expressed through the Touhou phenomenon doesn't sound like a horrible idea, though the sheer amount of weeabooism involved (not to mention the probably-unavoidable segment on Les Yay) may wound my soul.

[forbiddanlight]

An essay on Japanese culture as expressed through the Touhou phenomenon doesn't sound like a horrible idea, though the sheer amount of weeabooism involved (not to mention the probably-unavoidable segment on Les Yay) may wound my soul.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the unavoidable segment on Les Yay .

And plus, you are on the internet. You don't have a soul .

[Vi]

An essay on Japanese culture as expressed through the Touhou phenomenon doesn't sound like a horrible idea, though the sheer amount of weeabooism involved (not to mention the probably-unavoidable segment on Les Yay) may wound my soul.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the unavoidable segment on Les Yay .

The Honors director seems progressive enough, but I don't think she's

that

liberal. I guess I'd have to choose my context carefully.

And plus, you are on the internet. You don't have a soul .

Not to mention I'm on a site where arguing and demonizing is a seven-days-a-week career.
If it weren't for how Mafia is so intriguing, I'd think I'd slipped into a Dilbert cartoon~

[Vi]

I wrote a thesis comparing Sumo wrestlers with high school teachers.

I'm calling your bluff.
If you're telling the truth, I'm going into denial about how difficult I've been thinking this would be >.>

(The best conversations are always off-topic.)

[forbiddanlight]

The Honors director seems progressive enough, but I don't think she's that liberal. I guess I'd have to choose my context carefully.

Nyeh, well, if you really want to test some limits, either go with 4chan's obsession with traps or a thesis on how Kannazuki No Miko illustrates the dangers of forbidden love.

I wrote a thesis comparing Sumo wrestlers with high school teachers.

That is great .

[Vi]

Nyeh, well, if you really want to test some limits, either go with 4chan's obsession with traps or a thesis on how Kannazuki No Miko illustrates the dangers of forbidden love.

Pass. You lost me after "4chan", as I really don't ever want to go there.