Mini 686 - Chess Mafia (Done)

[Abstract Actuary]

There is a deadline in 2 days. If I am reading and interpreting the rules correctly if we don't make a move then the mafia will get a free kill. That is definitely the worst scenario. We'd rather make a bad move or randomly lynch somebody than that.

I would rank our options as

-Make a well thought out and agreed upon good move
-Lynch the scummiest player
-Make a decent move that we agree shouldn't hurt us, but doesn't really help us

-----gap-------

-Lynch a random player
-Make a bad move

-----huge gap--------

Pass

I'm not sure we have time to accomplish the first or second option at this point. Any suggestions?

[Pesco47]

The move with the most votes will be played at deadline. We also have the option of offering a draw.

[SensFan]

Bd2 is the only move anyone has discussed that accomplishes anything. What do you people have against it?

[Lawrencelot]

I totally lost it this game. I'll post tomorrow and vote for the biggest move bandwagon if it doesn't seem ridiculous to me.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

We have a semi-positive line for after 11. d5... I STILL don't see how we're not fucked by 11. ...d5 after any other move. If someone would please just explain to me how 11. ...d5 does not screw us over after another move, I will gladly change my vote to avoid a no-move.

[Indigo Heron]

unvote; vote: Pesco47 We are in a bad enough position where no move is a great move and most lead to worse positions. Pretty sure us beginning to lose the game was the agreed point at which we would start lynching.

I don't see how we lost the game yet, just that we're not in the position to do a very good move right now.

But sure if we get a consensus to start lynching by all means be my guest. It'll spice up the game a little. But then we should completely ignore the chess game of course.

You seem excited; impatient even, to get to the lynching stage.

FoS: sirdanilot

[Goatrevolt]

We have a semi-positive line for after 11. d5... I STILL don't see how we're not fucked by 11. ...d5 after any other move. If someone would please just explain to me how 11. ...d5 does not screw us over after another move, I will gladly change my vote to avoid a no-move.

11. d5, Qa5. I rape your line.

I have proven in earlier posts how stupid d5 is

Where? I've heard you comment on how stupid it is, but I don't recall you providing any reasoning behind it. Mind pointing me to it?

Also, how does:

Just glancing at AA's (You don't mind if I call you that?) sequence of moves, he may be on to something here, but still, it still looks like a very much equal position to me.

fit in with your statement about d5 being stupid?

I'll make a move tonight. I want to look through our options a bit more first.

[Goatrevolt]

There seriously are no good moves...

Move Qb3

[Indigo Heron]

Just when I unmoved on it...

Okay, I have shot my mouth off. I concede the point.

[veerus]

Qb3 is ineffective and wasteful since our queen isn't under any pressure right now and will have that square to retreat to next move if we so desire.

Bd2 has been shown to lead to a huge advantage for black

Be2 is a safe move that allows us to get our king to safety on the king-side of the board where nothing is really going on.

How are the first two options better than Be2?? I don't understand.

[sirdanilot]

unvote; vote: Pesco47 We are in a bad enough position where no move is a great move and most lead to worse positions. Pretty sure us beginning to lose the game was the agreed point at which we would start lynching.

I don't see how we lost the game yet, just that we're not in the position to do a very good move right now.

But sure if we get a consensus to start lynching by all means be my guest. It'll spice up the game a little. But then we should completely ignore the chess game of course.

You seem excited; impatient even, to get to the lynching stage.

FoS: sirdanilot

What? In that case I wouldn't have posted the numerous posts saying that you guys should stop voting, would've I?

What an utterly bad case, you just pointed that out as you saw it and didn't even bother to look back (or even remember).

Also I'm not that enthusiastic about it.

[veerus]

DL is approaching and you've yet to vote for a move... now would be a good time for that.

[Pesco47]

@ Veerus: Read all of sirdanilot's posts this game and tell me what he's posted.

You haven't answered this yet, Veerus.

[veerus]

@ Veerus: Read all of sirdanilot's posts this game and tell me what he's posted.

You haven't answered this yet, Veerus.

yes, i know he's coasting, but unlike you, he's not directly trying to throw the town off of the better moves

[Lawrencelot]

Why weren't we doing Bd3 again?

[Pesco47]

@ Veerus: Read all of sirdanilot's posts this game and tell me what he's posted.

You haven't answered this yet, Veerus.

yes, i know he's coasting, but unlike you, he's not directly trying to throw the town off of the better moves

He's still not participating in a meaningful way, for which you have voted me but given him a free pass for. If I was really throwing town off of good moves then town deserves to lose for being led like that. You don't like my input, then don't complain that I'm not participating.

[veerus]

Why weren't we doing Bd3 again?

re-read IH's posts from around Dec 28. Black likely gains advantage in freedom over the board while most of our pieces become cramped.

And pesco, if I was scum in this game, I would try to shoot down better moves and promote worse ones (what you're doing). He's a non-factor in the move discussion, which means he's at least not trying to push us down the path of destruction, which at worse is just bad town play, not scummy.

[Pesco47]

Nice one, play it by WIFOM and appeal to emotion.

[MafiaSSK]

Moves
Bd2(3)-SensFan,Pesco47,Abstract Actuary
d5(2)- The Central Scrutinizer,Lawrencelot
Be2(2)-Veerus,Indigo Heron
Qb3(1)-Goatrevolt

People
Veerus(1)-The Central Scrutinizer
Pesco47(1)-Veerus

[The Central Scrutinizer]

unmove, move: Bd2

I guess. Sigh.

[Goatrevolt]

Qb3 is ineffective and wasteful since our queen isn't under any pressure right now and will have that square to retreat to next move if we so desire.

Qb3 gives us back tempo. It forces black to play d5 before they can castle, in which case we get the chance to make the offensive move again. Granted, I've looked through a bunch of variations after Qb3 and they all end up even for us if we play correctly, but quite frankly I think even is as good as we're going to manage at this phase in the game. Play a safe move and hope black screws up is probably the best bet. Qb3 is a fairly safe move that can lead to even positions. Technically, Be2 is similar in that it's a safe play, but I think it leads to less attacking chances.

[Goatrevolt]

Also, Qb3 isn't wasteful. We're going to be forced to move our queen from c4 when black plays d5 eventually anyway. Doing so ahead of time simply allows for us to retain tempo when black does actually play d5.

[sirdanilot]

vote Be2

Also veerus and pesco, stop talking

about

people rather than talking

with

them. The only reason I am not participating that much is because I'm simply not that good at chess. That's not a scum tell. In fact I regret joining this game but I will not replace out because I want to honor my commitment to this game.

[Pesco47]

Pointing out a hypocrisy in Veerus' case is scumhunting. He's calling my move suggestions as scummy and detrimental to town, then also calling me scummy when I keep quiet and make no more 'bad move suggestions'. That's blatant nitpicking at everything he can find to try paint me scum.

[Lawrencelot]

If Bd2 and Be2 are the main options, I'll

Move: Be2

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