Mini 731 Speed Dating Smalltown: Over!

[Tanarin]

Yeah, but lets look at it in context Emp.

Vote; Farside

Suggested the Ask Questions then let someone else pick your role but wouldn't go through with it.

I waited 12 hours you didn't say shit. Try again.
Also I didn't trust anyone not to jump the queue line. No one said boo in over 4 hours to my request or comments. I dare you to disprove that.

That was post 82 When she said 12 hours it seems clear to me that it was from the time she suggested the plan to the time she chose as that is what we had been talking about until that point.

Just to make things clear.

I did the roll waited 8 hours and gave up

. No one seemed interested in my idea. Yet you are voting me for not waiting longer. And you said nothing that day about it.

This is post 85, posted 3 minutes later (Bolded part added by me.) She clearly states the 8 hours is from the time she rolled to the time she chose. I see no conflict here as she clarified what time span she was talking about. So his 12 hour comment was the misinterpretation it seems.

[Empking]

I waited 12 hours you didn't say shit. Try again.

I

Waited

The only time she waited was between when she made the roll and picking. So I can't agree with your interpretation.

[Shanba]

Sorry Tanarin.

It lessons the town's information? I've never understood how random votes are supposed to give information in the first place, but that's just me.

EmpKing's case on Farside is quite clearly tripe.

Hrm.

Unvote Vote: Tanarin

I don't follow your train of thought, Shanba. Tanarin's made valid arguments so far. Clarify?

Is making invalid arguments even scummy? BTW, it seems this question has become incredibly relevant, so I would appreciate an answer.

Ok. I want to lay aside the whole thing about who did what when with the candlestick in the study for a moment that we have going on between farside and empking. Empking: Assume for a moment that you are right, that farside lied, that it's not a misunderstanding etc. Please explain to me exactly what motivation farsidescum would have for doing this. If you can't see any motivation, and frankly, I can't see one that makes any sense whatsoever in context of farside's posts, then why the hell are you still pushing this?

Honestly, I tihnk empking is a terribly lynch. Neko's little sneaky vote on him is really atrociously scummy. Tanarin's gentle benevolence has me climbing the walls. Stop playing safe, man. Damn. I don't know how well my tanarin reading skills are going to transfer over to forum mafia, here, but I'm definitely getting scumvibes off him. Too safe, he's playing it too safe, or something like that. Reception hazy. I'll get back to you on that.

Unvote vote: neko

, anyway.

[Empking]

12 hours makes me seem worse, making it easier for a mislynch.

[Tanarin]

Shanba, I see your point in the neko vote, he has posted all of three things since the start of D1. The first being his random vote on Oman, the second calling the empking/farside thing not important and the third voting for empking. While that is indeed scummy because of the lurking and oppertunistic vote, I think right now we as the town need to find out if the 2 ton gorilla in the room that is empking is scum (Which I personally think is given his reactions,) or if he is just thickheaded town. Either way it is almost getting to the point that he is giving scum an easy out if they so want to take it if he is town. Even if he is scum, his buddies can easily bus him, which again leads us nowhere except maybe looking at neko as taking the easy bus.

[Shanba]

12 hours makes me seem worse, making it easier for a mislynch.

what? I'm sorry,

what

? Your theory is that farside was so incredibly arrogant that she believed she could convince an entire town of mostly
veteran (or at least semi-experienced) mafia players of something that wasn't true in order to get you lynched? And that no one would go back and check her up on this? YOur whole argument is bullshit, man.

Look. I want you to go back over farside's posts with no preconceptions, and tell me afterwards whether you honestly believe she is scummy.

[Empking]

Did you check the 12 hour thing before the contradiction was bought up?

[shaft.ed]

mod:

does first infraction of Rule 10 draw a modkill?

It can

[shaft.ed]

Mod: Did you decide the punishment for rule 10 before the game?
Mod: If yes. Why didn't you tell us before?

My rule infractions are, for the most part, decided on a case by case basis. Spelling out the specifics for every single rule would make them cumbersome to read beyond the point of usefulness. If you are worried about modkills, the only infraction (I remember) drawing a no questions asked modkill is quoting mod-PMs.

[Shanba]

Did you check the 12 hour thing before the contradiction was bought up?

No, because it simply doesn't have the effect you are stating it does. It doesn't make me want to lynch you. It never did. It never even made me close to wanting to lych you. If I had felt it was relevant, I would have fact checked it.

Also, I am but one player. Someone found it. And there's an argument as to whether it's even a contradiction anyway!

[shaft.ed]

No time for flavor.

Vote Count:

Empking

(5) farside22, Rogue Shenanigans, Tanarin, Korts, BSG

neko2086

(2) Oman. Shanba

farside22

(1) Empking

Oman

(1) neko2086

Not Voting

: Searphim, orangepenguin and TAX

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch or 6 to No Lynch.

[Empking]

Did you check the 12 hour thing before the contradiction was bought up?

No, because it simply doesn't have the effect you are stating it does. It doesn't make me want to lynch you. It never did. It never even made me close to wanting to lych you. If I had felt it was relevant, I would have fact checked it.

Also, I am but one player. Someone found it. And there's an argument as to whether it's even a contradiction anyway!

Subconscious.
How can it not be a contadiction. She said 12 then 8 hours.

Korts, it seems shaft.ed agrees with me.

[Korts]

Korts, it seems shaft.ed agrees with me.

Strange, I was thinking the opposite.

[Empking]

Korts, it seems shaft.ed agrees with me.

Strange, I was thinking the opposite.

You don't see how him saying that the first infraction of rule 10 can result in a modkill agrees with the first infraction of rule 10 can result in a modkill?

[farside22]

Empking why are you so hot on getting me mod killed?
Do you see anything in the rules that state the the mod will mod kill a player if they don't play along with the rules?

Also I waited from the point I mentioned the idea to rolling to choosing guess what it was after 7:30am to 10:00pm that is over 12 hours. If you are calling a fucking error in not checking time a lie you need a fucking reality check.
Also learn what appeal and fustration is.
Finally I asked the

mod if he really feels the infration is high enough to modkill me.

Last time Emp because you keep ignoring the question.
How long is should i have waited for you to respond? Knowing I am busy on the weekends and people may have jumped in line to pick before me.

[shaft.ed]

Finally I asked the

mod if he really feels the infration is high enough to modkill me.

Well you're not dead

.

[shaft.ed]

OK I've been debating very heavily over whether I should inform everyone about my decision to warn farside and not modkill her since it seems to be front and center in the discussion and I do not want to influence the outcome of the game. However, this is a discussion of my ruleset and I do not wish to have players have an unclear understanding as to why certain decisions were made.

farside22 received a public warning for her small text because:
1) public warnings are efficient in notifying all players of a particular rule
2) I did not want to set a precident for allowing players to abuse this rule
3) I wanted to alert players to the text in case they did not see it and found it relevant
4) a warning was given because there was no clear intent on using the small text to communicate in secret because
---a) it was only slightly small text and thus not highly efficient in being invisible
---b) there was no obvious secretive content that couldn't have been posted in normal sized font

You may continue debating about what subconcious reasons I have for making this decision. Take this as a clarification of Rule 10.

[Empking]

You should've waited 15 minutes after I logged on for the day.

I don't want you modkilled. I don't see anything ion the rules but I do in the thread.

[Tanarin]

Empking...so she should have stayed up until Midnight her time so that she could make her pck for a game on the internet, instead of sleeping so that the kid she has (I'm assuming you have a kid farside from your avatar and your earlier posts,) doesn't wear her down even more. Yeah real logical there.

[orangepenguin]

vote: Empking

- This whole conversation is really stupid [Empking's side]. I don't see any possibility that someone would argue this from a town perspective, and Empking is really scummy as a result of it. If the mod felt it was modkill worthy, he would've done it regardless of alignment. He didn't. He explained it above, yet you still seem intent on pressing the issue.

6 votes means he is at L-1.

[Oman]

This is a bad wagon.

[Tanarin]

Oman, thanks for the input, but why is this a bad wagon? He is arguing a bad point right now. If anything, if he is really a townie, he is hurting us by distracting us from finding the real scum by arguing what are in all reality minor points.

[Seraphim]

You know, that sounds like every case against Empking ever written. And every time he was killed, he flipped town.

[Seraphim]

Another point of interest is the fact that if we lynch Empking, we lose the Tracker role.

[Oman]

Oman, thanks for the input, but why is this a bad wagon? He is arguing a bad point right now. If anything, if he is really a townie, he is hurting us by distracting us from finding the real scum by arguing what are in all reality minor points.

Seraphim nails my problems with the wagon in the previous two posts. 1. This doens't seem to be scummy for Empking, you're lynching him for being what you see to be a VI.

2. I would hate to lose the tracker role. I'm not adverse to lynching someone due to role at all, but I would hate to lose it over something that doesn't convince me in the slightest. I respectfully think that farside is too close to this and is behaving as such becuase of her direct involvment in the argument. Not to say I don't love you farside