Mafia 85 - Murder at the Bus Stop (game over)


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Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:07 am

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iamausername wrote:
Lawrencelot wrote:-Cream147,
Mafia Roleblocker
, lynched Day 3 (page 60)
-al4xz, Mafia Goon, killed Night 3 (page 60)
-Netlava
Slepz
, Mafia Roleblocker, killed Night 6 (page 78)
Mod, can you tell us if there is any particular significance to the colours here?


Also, I'm a vanilla townie too. Surye case is about half done.
Oh didn't notice that. It's fixed now.


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Official Votecount:
Iamausername (1): BlakAdder

Not voting (5): ThAdmiral, tubby216, Iamausername, Riceballtail, Surye

With 6 alive it's 4 to lynch. Deadline: January 21
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Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:43 am

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I voted RestFermata because she is my top suspect. I have common sense, and I would have invited if I felt that we were getting to close to deadline and no one else had given input.
Also, I'll go along with massclaim. I'm a townie.
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Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:47 am

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BlakAdder wrote:Wow. Netlava/Slepz did nothing. Only thing I can take away from reading his posts in iso is a chance of distancing from RestFermata when he voted her after the mod had already said that she was next in line for replacement.
So, just to be clear, is this the only reason that I'm your top suspect?
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Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:11 am

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VOTE:Surye


I don't think I need you to post the case. I do like that he's been on every lynch though. I'm liking BA as a secondary candidate as well.
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Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:37 am

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@IAUN: That, and all of my other suspects have died.
Also, that "invited" up there is supposed to be "unvoted". Freaking spell check on my iPod.
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Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:45 am

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Riceballtail wrote:
VOTE:Surye


I don't think I need you to post the case. I do like that he's been on every lynch though. I'm liking BA as a secondary candidate as well.
Wow, love the blind following on a very possible LYLO.
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Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:28 pm

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did surye and rice already claim??
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Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:30 pm

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Right then, Surye case:

Post #102: Defence of known scum Cream. Not what led me to suspect him on my initial read, since I didn't have any idea that Cream was scum at the time, but worth noting.

Post #116: This is just a horrible post. He's so obviously misrepresenting BA's point it's unreal. Pretty much just throwing dirt at him for no reason.

Post #295: Revisionist history ITP. Megatheory is acting like you're still voting Sir T? More like you're acting like you never voted him in the first place. Just because you hastily went back on your Sir T vote when you came under a little pressure doesn't mean you didn't make it. Mega has every right to scrutinise your reasons for voting even if you changed your mind about doing so.
Also, "are you even paying attention to this game" "this post is full of silly"; this kind of ad hominem is all over the place in Surye's posts in this game.

I completely agree with Sir T's Post #362.

Post #635: Why would you make this post? What do you hope to achieve by it? springlullaby's #973 is an excellent summary of exactly what is so scummy about this post, and I'm not finding any response to it from Surye anywhere.

Post #750: No, really. How is "Are you even paying attention to this game?" not ad hominem? Also not liking the way he characterises a lot of Muerrto's attacks as "misdirection" here, very OMGUSy. Especially when the points Muerrto made were perfectly true, you were engaging in ad hominem, and you were defending Empking. I don't even think the latter is in any way scummy, because your defence of Empking was perfectly justified, but the fact that your response is not to say that but to deny everything is.

Post #755: "I think you were asking the question, "How is surye scummy" rather then "Is surye scummy" when you did your analysis, so you founds things without considering the value, and focusing on certain parts and not seeing or valuing other parts that invalidate that analysis."
Sounds like an awfully convenient way to discredit a case against you without addressing any of the actual points made in it. Seriously, does this sentence actually say
anything
?

Post #1124: Not true. Xtoxm's original point, that kuribo looked like scum attacking the mislynch to look good, was a much better point that kuribo's defense of "I replaced in after the mislynch", which is totally irrelevant. Both of them descended into insult-flinging pretty soon after that, but Xtoxm had the higher ground initially as far as I'm concerned. This Xtoxm wagon was absolutely bogus.

Post #1287: Surye is very late on the al4xz wagon Day 3, having spent most of the day pushing for a Wall-E lynch.

Post #1409: "I don't like the claim, but it's ballsy" Is it just me, or is that not something you'd say about a claim if you didn't already know it was false? I mean, it's not "ballsy" for a cop to claim cop when they're about to be lynched, it's "basic common sense".

I don't have anything else to point to from the following days; the Wall-E and farside lynches were pretty much just blatantly obvious, and I'd more or less expect anyone, town or scum, to be going along with them. And being one of the three players to actually bother voting on D6 is a point in his favour too.

I'm going to do a thorough readthrough of the other four remaining players too, and also look through Cream, al4xz and Netlava's posts for connections, but these are the reasons why Surye was looking so bad to me on my first read of the thread.
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Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:14 pm

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I've already said I was townie.
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Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:58 pm

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No, I'm not following blindly. I'm looking at how you've been on the lynch every day so far. Slicey I can say was a null-tell to be on. K7 I think probably deserved it for a) not claiming and b) always being a thorn in the town's side. Cream was following the cop. Wall-E could have been reasonable, as we had already had two doctors die. I thought he was fake claiming too. Farside was definitely follow the cop. Jebus you followed me, and I feel like it was probably to get a lynch going. I also remember this:
Surye individual #171 wrote:This is what leads me to believe there is a cocky godfather, or a well played bus driver.
While, it made complete sense to what you were responding to (a post from myself wondering why armlx hadn't died, and if that could have been a fakeclaim), it also felt like you knew that this might be a possibility. Meaning you might have some information that we don't. You could have been heavily reliant on the fact that armlx had investigated "you" and found an innocent. And this, of all things, is what really irked me: today, you are repeatedly referring to being careful and waiting on iam's case. But other than that, it sounds like stalling and waiting to hop onto another wagon that builds up. I'm fairly confident about this vote.
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Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:02 pm

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Riceball, we're waiting on a claim from you (and Surye).
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Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:05 pm

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Sorry, I keep forgetting to put it in.

I'm a hider.
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Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:06 pm

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Night actions?
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Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:13 pm

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Well, I'm sadly hoping to lynch my favorite target to hide behind.

N1:Surye
N2:Jebus
N3:Farside
N4:Surye
N5:Surye
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Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:34 am

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so if you hide behind some one and you get targeted, then they get what ever was meant for you is that how it works?
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Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:41 am

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A hider does not die if they are targeted for kill, but if the person they hide behind is killed, then the hider dies too. That's my understanding of it. I don't think it affects any other types of action targeting the hider.

Also in some cases, a hider will die if they hide behind scum, but since Riceball wants to lynch Surye, I'm assuming he is not claiming to be that type of hider.
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Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:43 am

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hmm interesting, ok thanks i just diddn't understand how the role worked
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Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:18 am

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No, I only die if the person I hide behind does.
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Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:35 am

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Hm. Has anyone ever seen a Hider that functions that way on this site?
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Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:39 pm

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BA: If the hider dies while hiding behind scum is a mod discretion choice. Otherwise, that part of the role is usually a fairly standard "dies if they do".

Surye: we're waiting on you to claim now.
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Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:00 pm

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Lawrencelot wrote:
Deadline: 1 week from now (January 21).
If the people who just replaced in need more time to catch up, tell me, and I will extend the deadline to a maximum of 48 hours extra.
I'm caught up, but tubby doesn't appear to be. And I really think we need this.

Also, can we get prods on Surye and ThAdmiral?
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Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:29 am

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no i am good i am with it i just diddn'y know what to say after the massclaim and my questions were answered about the hider
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Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:45 am

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Surye and ThAdmiral have been prodded.
Deadline: Wednesday, 5 pm GMT.
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Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:53 pm

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sorry still here.

To be honest I pretty much don't know what to do in this game. I have fairly similar reads on everyone.
I'm hoping surye comes out with some other investigative role and helps us win...
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Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:36 am

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I'm going away for the next 2 days.
I think I miss the deadline so sorry guys.
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