Mini 731 Speed Dating Smalltown: Over!

[Tanarin]

Can somebody explain why RS is scummier than, BSG for example? Is it because RS posts hust enough not be replaced?

I think the case on RS but it seems to me to be a lurker vote (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

The cases that other people have done on Neko anfd his recent reactions.

Vote: Neko

Korts: Yes, scum do have a motivation for it.

OK, just figured I point this out, but holy shit, he is actually looking at someone else. Anyway, once I get unbusy and untired, I'll post up a some quick thoughts on the other happenings we have had going on.

[neko2086]

Neko anfd his recent reactions.

Specifics, please?

[Shanba]

How can I show you?

is this a serious question?

Demonstrate that scum can have a motivation for doing the things you say. In brief, tell us what the motivation is.

[Tanarin]

Neko, I want to ask you something about your PGO choice (Surprising I know). In general, do you think PGO is more helpful to town or to scum? Also, when you originally chose PGO and explaned the choice, you said you didn't want to have a load of responsibility. If that was the case, why not just choose one of the Masons then? They were both open at the time you chose.

Shanba: You mentioned you had no strong scum leads but a few strong Town Leads. Mind sharing them with us so we can see where your mind is ATM? In fact let's open ths up to everyone. Who do you have strong town leads on? Let's see where the town stands at the moment. Maybe we can get our act together and find out who to look at.

Personally I am getting Good Town vibes off of Korts, MafiaSSK and Shanba. I am getting some town vibes from farside by the way she defended herself during the empking thing, but I need to go back and go do another read now that things have calmed down a bit to see if maybe I missed something earlier.

[Oman]

Whats giving the town vibes on SSK?

[Empking]

Neko anfd his recent reactions.

Specifics, please?

You seem to bre trying to defend yourself but not saying why you're not scummy.

Shanba: Baits townies and makes a towny seem worse.

[BSG]

Will post tomorrow a real post.

[farside22]

Neko, I want to ask you something about your PGO choice (Surprising I know). In general, do you think PGO is more helpful to town or to scum? Also, when you originally chose PGO and explaned the choice, you said you didn't want to have a load of responsibility. If that was the case, why not just choose one of the Masons then? They were both open at the time you chose.

Shanba: You mentioned you had no strong scum leads but a few strong Town Leads. Mind sharing them with us so we can see where your mind is ATM? In fact let's open ths up to everyone. Who do you have strong town leads on? Let's see where the town stands at the moment. Maybe we can get our act together and find out who to look at.

Personally I am getting Good Town vibes off of Korts, MafiaSSK and Shanba. I am getting some town vibes from farside by the way she defended herself during the empking thing, but I need to go back and go do another read now that things have calmed down a bit to see if maybe I missed something earlier.

This is a bad idea. In a sense you are telling scum who looks town and they in turn look at it as who to kill. I believe in scum list but not town list.
I know I already can hear, but what is the difference farside. Well just because I don't call someone scum today doesn't mean anything. It just means I have a top 2 or 3 people I believe are scum over others I feel either town or neutral about.
I really thing RS. I still think Emp is talking out his butt and I wouldn't be surprise to find out he was using his meta as an advantage as he completely ignored the points made against him. I'm torn about OP. I know I"m still voting him but his answer, well something about it bothers me. I need time to go looks somethngs over on it.

[neko2086]

Tan- this is the way I see it: The PGO isn't going to be investigated, narrowing down the options of those with investigative roles. It would be a great role for the scum to have, which is why it's just as beneficial for the town to have it (just so that the scum don't). By taking it, I figured I'd give the town a better chance of investigating scum.

I didn't take the mason role because I figured it would be more helpful to take out the PGO. Of course, these explanations don't mean anything if you don't believe I'm town, but y'all keep asking me about it and I'm not going to lie to make you happy, so terribly sorry if you don't like them.

You seem to bre trying to defend yourself but not saying why you're not scummy

?
Aren't I saying why I'm not scummy by virtue of defending myself? What distinction are you making? Do you need me to explicitly

tell

you that I'm not scum?

[Korts]

Shanba: Baits townies and makes a towny seem worse.

I don't see how this would happen by changing 8 hours to 12 hours. I specifically checked your posts, and you didn't post in between the time farside asked you to question her and the time she chose a table; therefore any accusation would've been invalid anyway. Whether this was 8 or 12 hours is a moot point, and any townies wouldn't have been baited by a claim of 12 hours as opposed to 8.

This is a bad idea. In a sense you are telling scum who looks town and they in turn look at it as who to kill. I believe in scum list but not town list.

I disagree. Crackers! mafia convinced me that scum get confused and can't take it in their stride if town starts calling other town town. It's almost as important to find town as to find scum, since if all else fails, process of elimination is a useful tool.

Tan- this is the way I see it: The PGO isn't going to be investigated, narrowing down the options of those with investigative roles.

It would be a great role for the scum to have

, which is why it's just as beneficial for the town to have it (just so that the scum don't). By taking it, I figured I'd give the town a better chance of investigating scum.

Exactly, it would be a great role for scum to have. Which is why you're scummy for taking it so early on and without consulting the town.

vote: neko

I'm interested to see where this takes us.

[neko2086]

We hadn't talked about discussing who should get which role until after I (and OP) made my choice, and even then, we had pretty well decided only the role-switch blocker needed to be discussed.

So, if we weren't going to waste our time discussing who should take the role,

anyone

taking the PGO would look suspicious. Really, I don't know what you were all

hoping

to hear when asking me why I chose the role.

[Empking]

You seem to bre trying to defend yourself but not saying why you're not scummy

?
Aren't I saying why I'm not scummy by virtue of defending myself? What distinction are you making? Do you need me to explicitly

tell

you that I'm not scum?

You'resaying stuff like "Do you think I'm scum?" rather than "That's not a scum tell because."

[neko2086]

Please point me to a specific post and show me the difference.

[Empking's Alt]

Oman, do you think I'm scum?

[Empking]

Sorry, that was me.

[neko2086]

Ok, but that was

one

instance in which I wanted to know if he was voting for me because he thought I was scum or just for pressure (which is a valid and appropriate question).

Clearly, there are other instances of me defending myself.

[Empking]

Quote one.

[neko2086]

There was quite a long period of time between those first two posts you pointed out. I didn't expect empking to push the issue as far as he did.

To clarify: I thought it was a non-issue originally (statement A).

Statement B: After

several

pages of the same ridiculous argument, pushed mostly from the empking side and with terrible reasons, I

did

change my mind (true, though, I did not specify that my mind had been changed).

Statement C: Not what I was trying to say. My response to tanarin about not being inspired to join the argument was in response to what I interpreted as an accusation of lurking. He said I'd only made a few posts, and I said sorry I haven't joined the ridiculous argument.

Is that clearer?

[Shanba]

neko, you're only going to have the PGO for one day. Was it really worth it?

Also, in your player by player thing, you claimed that you were pleased I was opening up other avenues of inquiry. Yet I was moving discussion away from someone you claimed to think was scum and a goodlynch and was trying to refocus it on you (who you would presumably claim is pro-town). Why do you think that is a pro-town action?

[neko2086]

1. Obviously I understood that. I think it's worth it, why wouldn't it be?

2. At this point, only the scum can be 100% of who is scum and who is town. I think it's always good sign if someone is looking in multiple places with good reasoning, even if it brings negative attention to a townie.

[Tanarin]

2. At this point, only the scum can be 100% of who is scum and who is town. I think it's always good sign if someone is looking in multiple places with good reasoning, even if it brings negative attention to a townie.

OK, looking multiple places is all fine and dandy, and negative attention to a townie is going to happen as it is part of the game. Question was though, how is bringing negative attention to oneself a town move, especially when said townie has not been the cleanest person in the game AND is currently up there on the vote count.


Has anyone seen Shaft.ed BTW?

so...I guess you want a votecount then

[shaft.ed]

"Wow this voting stuff is really boring" exclaims Evette. "I'll show you some excitement" Oman yells out. orangepenguin snaps back "It's not your turn, you damn moogle!"

Vote Count:

neko2086

(4) Oman, Shanba, Empking, Korts

Empking

(3) Rogue Shenanigans, BSG, orangepenguin

Rogue Shenanigans

(2) Tanarin, neko2086

orangepenguin

(1) farside22

Not Voting

: Searphim and MafiaSSK

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch or 6 to No Lynch.

[neko2086]

Well, that

wasn't

his question, and do you really think I purposefully

tried

to bring negative attention to myself? I think you need to reread Shanba's question and my response.

[orangepenguin]

unvote

for now.

I don't think neko is that scummy, FTR.

[Tanarin]

Neko: I never said you did try to purposefully bring attention to yourself. And I think I clearly read the question. How does redirecting the questioning onto yourself a town move? Because in essence that is what you have done.

Oman: Sorry for ignoring you, I didn't intend to. Anyway I'm getting town vibes from the talks I am having with him as a mason buddy.