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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:05 pm

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Kairyuu: In your post 114, all the options you presented suggested that I was scummy for some reason or another. None of them reflected the possibility that I could be town who misread your post. Probably because you don't consider that possible, as I've been saying for pages. That's how you tried to box me in.
Kairyuu, above wrote:The original point was a small matter. However, it did not stay limited to that for long.
You've argued that I tried to step out of the spotlight (which I've addressed), and more recently you've said that I defended hp. If there was anything else, I missed it, please elaborate. (I've also addressed the "defending" hp thing, which is pretty silly).

Also, I see your point about persistent inactivity this game, that's reasonable. However, I really don't think large quote wars help, unless there's something of value to take sides on. Whether that's the case here is another thing we're contending.

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We are probably close to deadline, so we should try to narrow down the best play for today. Here are my impressions on each player:

forbiddanlight
: Hard to read one way or the other, because there's not much content. This needs to change.
hp [leaves]
: Seems clear he either had the note or received it from a scumbuddy. So it all comes down to the likelyhood of scum being able to daytalk, and if we believe that he forgot to check the note until under pressure. I'd say he's slightly more likely to be scum than town, but I couldn't say with confidence either way. Lynching him might be a good way to generate information.
Kairyuu
: I can see him as town or scum, to be honest. Not too sure.
Kinetic
: Seems aware and protown.
MafiaSSK
: Would strike me as scum, except he has a meta of being this way. /agree with Tar, investigate/vig would be a good solution.
populartajo
: He looks a like a player who hypothesizes in the thread, which has caused some people to jump on him for his ideas. I thought this was benign at first, but his waffling on hp and the note issue looks suspicious. He also hasn't contributed to the discussion as much as I'd like, most of his time is spent defending himself.
Malthusis
: Is floating underneath the radar, for the most part. This needs to change.
Isacc
: Not sure if the tendency to avoid firm conclusions (that Tar pointed out) is necessarily scummy, since I often do that as town by virtue of not being that sure. He has been a little opportunistic, though, which makes me a little suspicious.
Tarhalindur
: Not sure I buy his logic regarding myself or Isacc completely, but otherwise seems protown.
veerus
: I don't view his statement regarding safeclaims to be a slip, since it's reasonable to assume the presence of safeclaims in a game run by Nat. His posts on hp might be of interest later, since he seemed eager to redirect attention back to hp after people were discussing Nat etc. a little more (see posts 242 and 293 for examples). However, this could be a null tell, who knows. Currently I don't have much of a read on him either.
Vi
: Hmm. Vi seems like a tough person to get a read on. My impression of him in this game is that he's a wee bit on the opportunistic side, like Kairyuu. If he's scum, he's playing well so far. His post 94 (where he votes tajo) almost sounds as if he's trying to start a wagon, but this could be legitimate as town also. No real read, yet.
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: I sort of think we should call his bluff. It does have risks, though, so I'd also be okay with someone else for today.

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Not sure who to go for yet, I'll try and make up my mind soon.

Nat: How are you both? What's the origin of said princess?

Also, do we know why Battle Mage remains in the votecount? Could be extremely relevant, if it isn't a mistake on Nat's part.
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:26 pm

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OK. Many apologies, but I need a replacement due to real life issues. I'm in a crapload of trouble at home.

My sincerest apologies to everyone in this game.

@Illumina: I was really enjoying our debate, and wish I could continue it. Sorry to have to bow out partway through.
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:37 pm

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Natirasha wrote:Bah, fine.

I am a Beloved Princess and Supersaint.

Still want to lynch me?
Who's the guard then? And yes I do.
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:38 pm

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Kairyuu wrote:
MafiaSSK:
I asked him to try to contribute more, but he has not listened. I therefore have no information at all on him outside of small tidbits that remind me strongly of Empking's playstyle.
Sorry. Real life and replacing into another game has prevented me from doing huge analysis posts in this game.
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:12 pm

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MafiaSSK wrote:
Natirasha wrote:Bah, fine.

I am a Beloved Princess and Supersaint.

Still want to lynch me?
Who's the guard then? And yes I do.
That's classified information.
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:12 pm

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You're a good debater, Kairyuu, sorry to see you leave the game. Good luck with RL.
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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:28 pm

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"OH MY F***ING GOD! HE IS HURRICANE KICKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AIR."

If anything, I'd say you have about 2-4 days until deadline...
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[quote="The Fourteenth Vote Count(aka the "No, Seriously, I Wanna Be The Guy Is So Hard" Vote Count)"]Vote Count
Natirasha(3): forbiddanlight, Malthusis, MafiaSSK, Kairyuu
forbiddanlight(1): Vi
hp [leaves](1): veerus
illumina(0):
Kairyuu(1): Illumina
Kinetic(0):
MafiaSSK(0):
populartajo(1): Kinetic
Isacc(1): hp [leaves]
Tarhalindur(0):
veerus(1): populartajo
Vi (0):
Battle Mage(0):

FoS Count
Natirasha(1): forbiddanlight
forbiddanlight(0):
hp [leaves](0):
illumina(2): Kairyuu, Tarhalindur
Kairyuu(1): hp [leaves]
Kinetic(0):
MafiaSSK(1): MafiaSSK
populartajo(3): veerus, Kinetic, Malthusis
Isacc(1): Illumina
Tarhalindur(0):
veerus(0):
Vi (0):
fluffy bunnies(0):
Floofy bunnies(1): MafiaSSK
lol I am arguing with myself(0):
Poofy Bunnies with Big Floppy Ears(1): Vi[/quote]
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:37 pm

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The Guard should claim if they want to keep their Princess alive.
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:31 pm

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I don't see where I
refused
to respond to Kairyuu. I think the Kairyuu/Illumina gripefest cannot be solved conclusively. It's something to come back to later for suspicion's sake, but unless I missed something nothing can be proven either way.

I just noticed Malthusis is in this game.
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Natirasha 339 wrote:Natirasha(3): forbiddanlight, Malthusis, MafiaSSK, Kairyuu
orly

I need to come back when I haven't been in front of a computer all day so I can get a better look at this game. Right now I'm simply tired and disinterested.
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:21 pm

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Sorry I still haven't provided much. The computer I normally use and keep notes on has been lunched for the past week and I'm STILL trying to get it fixed since apparently all the iso burning software in the world and/or actual cd rom drives themselves are utter shit.
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:36 pm

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unvote; vote: Natirasha


This is a deadline vote. There doesn't look to be a convincing case on anyone at this moment and it's highly unlikely that one will surface in 2-4 days. As much as I hate the idea, I'd rather lynch the mod than no one at all.
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:21 am

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Sorry for doing this but Im V/LA for two, maybe three days. If I check back it will only prob be for the game Im modding. Thx.
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:25 am

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@HP:
Because I'm scummy and easy to piled votes on? Tar hasn't done much scummy things so OMGUS'ing him would be a suicide.
Except that I did correct Tar. I didn't just let him just slide by. I told him that his logic was based on not knowing me very well.

Also, you admit you are scummy? Then why is my vote an OMGUS? OMGUS would mean that I had no reasoning except that you voted me, but since you admit you are scummy, then I don't see how I am wrong for voting you.
You know, tajo kinda protected me and since I buddy up anyone who protects me; I should've buddied him up. But I didn't.
Taking words out of context in order to make my argument seem contradictory: it would work if we were all retarded. However, seeing as we are not, then it appears you are just misrepping.

I didn't say that you buddy up to whoever protects you, I said you'll buddy up to any
thing
that will protect you. You realize everyone has notes, so suddenly you do too. You see an argument made by Tar (strongest pro-town player, basically) so you figure siding with him is smartest. These situations all keep you pretty safe. Buddying with tajo, who is under attack by some people, obviously doesn't fall under the category of "protective."
The only bad thing I did was overlook the note iirc.
Lying about your note is a bad thing, imo, and it doesn't change the fact that you were accusing me for calling you out about an old point.


In other news...

I'm against voting Nat, personally. Basically, I find Tar most town so far, and so I can't help but feel it's safer to trust him in his role-notes descriptions. Those descriptions all point to him being G-man, and lynching him being anti-town, so I'm not so comfortable with his lynch.
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:30 pm

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Deadline revoked until I get access to a computer. If someone would be nice enough to pm Machiavellian mafia telling him to takeover the thread gets major love from me. And yes I am posting from an iphone. Tell him topm me, too. Hecan change deadlines if he wants too.
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:18 am

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EBWOP: at the end of my post it says "Those descriptions all point to him being G-man, and lynching him being anti-town, so I'm not so comfortable with his lynch." I realized, I should make it clear that I am referring to Nat being G-man.
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:34 am

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Should I send my confirm replacement PM to machavellian too, since Nat already ok-ed it?
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:34 pm

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I am contacting m-m right now. Please be on hold.
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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:10 pm

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Post to avoid prod, longer post coming tomorrow.
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:00 am

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Hello everyone. I'll get things sorted out soon enough as the backup mod.
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:12 pm

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Yay, go Kinetic.
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:29 pm

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Did anyone notice that the first syllable of Jesus is "G"?
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:47 pm

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I'm waiting for my role PM, but Nat confirmed my replacement via PM, so
Vote: Nat
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:17 pm

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Kinetic wrote:Depending on Nat's flip, that will also give us significant information on Tar.
How?
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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:11 pm

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zwetschenwasser wrote:I'm waiting for my role PM, but Nat confirmed my replacement via PM, so
Vote: Nat
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:13 pm

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The last vote made it seven votes, the majority. Let's see what happens now.

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