Xtoxm and Iceman are so totally scum, it's painfully obvious.
I agree that it's slightly odd that sthar8 only seemed to be claiming to be a double voter, but I think that judging from the above quote it seems like sthar8 might have also seen the second potential ability listed in his role PM as well and just figured that the second ability was null or non-existent or something else... it's hard to know what he was thinking at the time. I think the difference between sthar8 and Xtoxm though is Xtoxm went ahead and got further clarification from the mod while maybe sthar8 just didn't bother to probe further about it. The only thing I
don't
like about sthar8 now is how he wanted to confirm himself by using his second vote ability but never seemed too bothered to try and maybe push for a second boost for his potential second ability. Again though, this seems to go along well with the idea that maybe sthar8 for some weird reason just didn't think that second ability existed or something like that.
Sthar said he "didn't know how to be more explicit" about his claim saying he has no powers other than a double vote. When I further questioned him about it, he responded with "
", which is basically "I'm sad you don't get it by now". He later said the only reason he didn't respond with a "yeah" was that he "hates having to repeat himself."He was clearly
absolutely positive
his role was vanilla that gets becomes double voter when boosted. He had no doubts about it, and he had the same exact info xtoxm does.
For xtoxm's claim to be true, you have to believe sthar was explicitly told the boost effected one of two "qualities" specifically mentioned in his PM, and the thought a second boost will probably effect his second quality never even crossed his mind. Since he clearly isn't a complete and utter moron, I don't believe there's any way that was the case.
Xtoxm comes in feeling all important for being a "power role", and claims the double voter thing is
"just the boost"
. Not
yesteday's
boost, the boost. That clearly implies he has a non-boost related power.
When I point out his blunder at 905 he doesn't respond, opting instead to to take his time reading the game in order to come up with a feasible excuse (and notice his "Well I already know i'm gonna call him scum, but i'll look at his posts anyway" comment on me in 921 -
how on earth is this town play?
)
I mention his lie again in 923, he comes up with another one line response that ignores it in 924. Only than, in 929, after being asked by Incog as well and getting the the point where further lack of response would make him look really bad, he finally "explains".
Incog makes another valid point about a comment of sthar's that makes no sense whatsoever in the light of xtoxm's claim in 934. Then he apparantly forgets about it.
Then, watch how he yet again has nothing to protect his lie with in early page 41, and resorts to "whatever".
It's hard to get more obvscum than this.
Incog wrote:This isn't entirely true either. My role PM doesn't explicitly call me anything. It just describes the items that I have and my win condition. From that, I gathered that I must be a vig. I'd imagine that Guardian's role PM didn't call him a doctor either -- it probably described a few things that he had along with him (maybe a medical bag or some kind of medications or a stethoscope or some other such thing) but probably never explicitly said he's a doctor. The sample Vanilla PM also just says "inhabitant of town" from which one would probably gather that he or she is just Vanilla.
Doesn't really matter if the specific role name was mentioned or not, a pro town role that shoots people at night is clearly a vig, an "inhabitant of the town" is clearly a townie, and I'm sure it was obvious from Guardian's PM that his a doc. Huntress' and electra's roles are also easy enough to understand. That means xtoxm's argument that "the PM does not tell you what you are" is totally false. If it were true, even for xtoxm's role alone, sthar wouldn't have said he was a vanilla who doublevotes when boosted with such confidence.
