Its really quite simple, Vi...
Either A) Tar is faking the JoaT claim and is instead a mafian with a 1-shot. Got lucky and targeted the same player zaz targeted (iaun) to "confirm" a doc protect, and said he blocked jazz to set up her lynch today... his big post today, he seemed to make sure to stress that he wasn't 100% sure that made jazz scum, since he "couldn't be sure me and the scum wouldn't have targeted the same player", basically setting us up for when jazz would be town.
The problem with A is, I targetted Vi, and Vi's not dead. That means vi's nk immune scum, or someone else blocked me (can't be Tar, unless someone else had a 1 shot, and Tar took credit for it). Either way, there would have to be 2 scum left (1 if tar is a RB). Tar wouldn't have to cover himself in the event jazz was town, because vi or Tom as a scum partner would be game over town loss by lynching Jazz town. Thus, if tar is not scum alone, then jazz is his scum partner.
Other interesting tidbit... if tar is lying, he couldn't have blocked me... Either Tar really thinks I'm vig and really trusted me to try to hit scum if he can RB, or he wouldn't have been able to RB anyways, so he would never have tried to claim he could today. but, if Tar IS a mafia RB, then maybe he did RB me and I caught him in a lie with my gambit... somehow, vi's not dead right now though...
Other than that, A is kinda my paranoid conspiracy theory... there's too many weird coincidences and stretch assumptions I would be forced to believe for this to be true.
B)Vi isn't dead b/c he's nk-immune, and there's no mafia RB... Simple, lynch Vi, game over. Town celebrates, and I get to rub in Vi's face how I'm again and still not an sk.
C)Vi's not dead because I was RBed... that means Tar is probably town, and jazz can't be scum unless there are 2 scum remaining. Vi (and Tom) both seemed too eager to just lynch jazz today, and seemed way too confident... Knowing that 1 of them would have to be a RB in this situation, the confidence stemmed from the fact that a) they assumed that I targetted huntress same as them, since I took credit for the kill initially, b) jazz was sort of condemned then by being blocked by Tar, and c) they are a RB, so I can be blocked tonight (again), they can kill someone (only 1 kill), and then I can be the scapegoat obvSK lynch tomorrow. Vi hasn't once considered the possibility that I am vig. Vi is in the best position to be the RB mafian in this situation. If its not Vi, then the only possibility left is that its Tom GF with a role blocking ability... ok, talk about an overpowered role... Vi HAS to be the scum
@tom: I'm having a hard time following the logic for still lynching jazz right now... Jazz can't be scum on her own, due to tar's blocking of her... either someone else had to make the mafia kill, or Tar and jazz are scum partners.
Unless, you're thinking that I really did kill huntress, and I'm playing some even crazier gambit by changing my story now to do what? maybe prevent a situation where me as sk would be lynched when the final mafian (jazz ) is town? Well, consider this. The * in Vi's name in the first post... I put it there intentionally... do you think I had the foresight to know how the day was going to play out? I don't see how I could have predicted this chain of events happening. What if Tar would have blocked me? Actually, since I targetted vi I assumed I was blocked by tar, and I thought tar might try to gambit to get something out of the scum player by claiming to have blocked jazz or Vi. There was another asterisk here in post 765:
Rhinox 765 wrote:Tar, I also want to make sure we hear from Vi or jazz about you blocking her last night* before we do anything - unless you don't think it really matters too much? What do you think?
The * was because I was still working under the assumption that Tar blocked me, and if tar was gambitting, it didn't make sense to end the day without hearing from the player he was working a gambit on. When both tom and Vi were threatening to vote jazz without discussion, I knew it was time to come out of the gambit:
Rhinox 768 wrote:@Tar, and for others information/amusement...
suppose I was gambiting when I said I targetted huntress, because I thought tar was going to gambit to draw out the last scum - essentially, what if tar didn't block jaz, and I know this because I didn't target huntress? And I thought Tar would gambit to try to draw out scum by claiming he blocked someone else (Vi or jazz)? Would the strategy change any if we found out jazz wasn't blocked?
Or maybe I didn't, and I really did take out huntress, and this is a way for me to gambit now and test tar to see if he was being honest about who he blocked, or if he was gambitting to try to catch Jazz, or if he's just trying to justify a mislynch now by lying.
So tar, think carefully before answering. Gambits are off... who did you block last night?
I was completely shocked when tar still said he blocked jazz... either he still thought I killed huntress and kept up his lie, or <see my last 5 posts where the conclusion is Vi=scum>
Tom... really?
Tom wrote:My statements are made knowing 100% that if you lynch me, this game will be over and the scum will win.
^Another slip up, or just a scare tactic? your mislynch would only be game over scum win if you're town and there are 2 goons remaining.... you don't think there are two goons remaining... so how do you know 100% that your mislynch today would be game over? do you know there are 2 mafians remaining because you're one of them? so another WTF please explain?
Vi wrote:Wallpost still forthcoming. I don't think it'll come out tonight though, stuff's going on.
yeah... I don't blame ya... I would have a hard time talking myself out of this one, too
New conclusion... If a vi-town lynch isn't game over today, the only way Tom can be scum is if he's an investigation immune GF with RB abilities, and Tar is a town JoaT. Highly unlikely that a mafia role would be that powerful, so a vi-town lynch proves tom is town. That also proves jazz is town, because jazz can't be scum on her own if tar is telling the truth. That means Tar would have to be scum RB, who RBed me last night but lied to try to get jazz mislynched today, and mafia had an extra 1 shot ability used. He would then block me tonight, and try to lynch me tomorrow for being an sk. As i've already explained, since a cross kill would be impossible, town has to chance that I'm actually a vig.
Town loses today with a vi-town lynch if there are 2 mafians remaining. between tar, tom, and jazz... Tar could only be scum with jazz due to explanation A above. Tom might be scum with jazz... but Tom wanted to kill jazz... jazz would have to be the rb, unless tom is a gf investigation immune RB... so unlikely tom would want to sacrifice the RB ability when a vig possible sk is still running around. So, Confident that Town only loses with a vi-town lynch today if Tar and jazz are scum partners...
Vi HAS to be scum... we have to lynch vi...
confirm vote: Vi
Locked on, and key thrown away.
