Mini 692: Boost Mafia (Game Over!)

[Xtoxm]

Crazy looked town, and I think you were then scum's mislynch yesterday.

I meant, "Why do you think you have to vote me?"

Self defence.

[Raging Rabbit]

And by "self", you mean your buddy Iceman.

[eldarad]

Incog, what is the thought process behind your change of heart on Huntress?

There is so much I don't like about Huntress' play, and her claim, but I can't see how Huntress can be scum with Jahudo at the moment. I think lynching Huntress Today is premature.

Xtoxm, did you just say that you thought Huntress/Crazy was the scum's attempted mislynch on Day 1? How does that fit in with your decision to vote for Huntress?

[Xtoxm]

It doesn't. I vote Hunt cos Incog asks.

[Green Crayons]

There is so much I don't like about Huntress' play, and her claim, but I can't see how Huntress can be scum with Jahudo at the moment. I think lynching Huntress Today is premature.

Do you think a scum, if in Huntress' D1 position, would have acted differently?

Xtox: So, is your double vote something you need to activate? Does it last beyond today if you don't use it? Also, do you think your suspicion on RR may just be a defensive knee-jerk reaction?

[Xtoxm]

Xtox: So, is your double vote something you need to activate? Does it last beyond today if you don't use it? Also, do you think your suspicion on RR may just be a defensive knee-jerk reaction?

Yes - I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped town, but if he is town his tunnel vision si to the extent that he's going to lose town the game, I think...I am not scum, and Ice seems pretty damn town.

[Green Crayons]

Then maybe instead of trying to get someone you think is a bad town player lynched, don't you think you should try to move on to those targets who actually may be scumbags?

[vollkan]

However, iceman suggested in #916 that I was on the right track, but he also says in #1021 that he had forgot what role he had until he had been asked to claim...
So how could his role be affecting his posting rate prior to that?

In #916, he bolded "something that incentivises them to keep quiet". I don't know what that actually suggests, but obviously it implies very strongly that he had knowledge of his own role at that point in time. Hmm.

Unvote
Vote: Huntress

I've seen enough of your posts this game to know you are a content-rich sort of guy. As such, I find it kind of baffling to fathom how hypotown Incognito could, simultaneously, be convinced of Hunt's scumminess by something to the point of changing his vote, but also not think it worthwhile to either explain himself or, if time was scarce, to post a "reasons shortly" or something to that effect.

[eldarad]

In #916, he bolded "something that incentivises them to keep quiet". I don't know what that actually suggests, but obviously it implies very strongly that he had knowledge of his own role at that point in time. Hmm.

My point exactly.

In other news, last night I googled 'rabbit pancake'
Crazy.

[Xtoxm]

Then maybe instead of trying to get someone you think is a bad town player lynched, don't you think you should try to move on to those targets who actually may be scumbags?

Well I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum either, but admittedly I am starting to lean more on TDC-Eld.

[Huntress]

I'm perfectly willing to switch my vote back to Eldarad if he's lynchable today. He's still my first choice.

[Xtoxm]

Mod: What time on the 2nd is deadline?

[Xtoxm]

I can give this a try.

Unvote Vote Eld

Patrick lives in England so deadline will prob be suitable for me to be on.

[Huntress]

Unvote
Vote: Eldarad

I should be around much of the time on Tuesday if a change is needed.

[Patrick]

The deadline is on the 3rd. Elmo gave a nice little countdown for the deadline, which can be found here. Look at the bit under "alternative version" for complete clarity.

[Huntress]

I should be around much of the time on

Tuesday

Monday if a change is needed.

Fixed.

[Raging Rabbit]

eld is a better lynch than Huntress I guess, but c'mon guys. Lets lynch Icescum today, please. His claim doesn't make any sense in at least 3 different ways.

[Xtoxm]

6 am? What's wrong with you??

[Xtoxm]

Bunny: Assuming Ice isn't going to be lynch, would you vote Eld? (Ice pretty much isn't being lynched today, so he can atleast produce a result)

[TDC]

Eld looks town in general to me. Good boost target. Glancing through isolations I see no reason to chnage these opinions.

What changed?

Yeh, see sample PM.

How does that answer anything?

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However, iceman suggested in #916 that I was on the right track, but he also says in #1021 that he had forgot what role he had until he had been asked to claim...
So how could his role be affecting his posting rate prior to that?

Uh, not my quote.

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Still not interested in lynching eldarad.
iceman is not a bad lynch, but I don't see why it has to occur today?
Huntress I could live with, but I'd rather lynch Xtoxm.

vote: Xtoxm

Will switch to Huntress or iceman in that order otherwise.

[Xtoxm]

Haha how surprising.

[eldarad]

I'm perfectly willing to switch my vote back to Eldarad if he's lynchable today. He's still my first choice.

We have two fairly major issues going on here that you have so far totally ignored, and I would like your input on.

What is your opinion on the potential contradiction between sthar's claim and Xtoxm's?
What do you think about the Iceman's reason for not using his cop ability? Do you think it is plausible for Iceman to have forgotten his role so soon after replacing in? Do you think Iceman's reason ("I forgot until I was asked to claim") is consistent with his implication earlier that he wasn't posting often because of his role?
Given that you were willing to hammer Iceman earlier why have you changed your mind now that we are so close to deadline?

I can't be bothered to ask you for your case on me again, it's obvious you haven't got one.
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Do you think a scum, if in Huntress' D1 position, would have acted differently?

Surely the first question is whether it is possible for Huntress-scum to have been in that position at all on Day 1, given the number of votes the town controls.

Day 1, Vote Count #21

Day 1, Vote Count #21
Huntress (5) <- sthar8, Electra, eldarad, Green Crayons, Jahudo
Jahudo (5) <- Incognito, iLord, Guardian, TDC, Raging Rabbit
eldarad <- Huntress

Not voting: RandomGem.

You're suggesting that of the 9 votes controlled by townies, 8 or 9 (depending on whether Iceman is town or not) were voting for scum. That's possible, but I doubt we're owning the game as hard as you think.
I acknowledge that Huntress' reluctance to vote for who we now know is the GF doesn't cover her with glory, especially given the non-existent, though single-minded, nature of her case on me in support of her vote. But, as I have said already, I think we will be in a much better position Tomorrow to assess whether Huntress is scum or not.

[Huntress]

I'm perfectly willing to switch my vote back to Eldarad if he's lynchable today. He's still my first choice.

We have two fairly major issues going on here that you have so far totally ignored, and I would like your input on.

What is your opinion on the potential contradiction between sthar's claim and Xtoxm's?

See posts 914, 950 and 1008. Please explain how you can possibly describe these as having "totally ignored" the issue.

What do you think about the Iceman's reason for not using his cop ability? Do you think it is plausible for Iceman to have forgotten his role so soon after replacing in? Do you think Iceman's reason ("I forgot until I was asked to claim") is consistent with his implication earlier that he wasn't posting often because of his role?

1) As he replaced in just before the deadline I can see the point of not using the ability if he really did think it was only one-shot. Better to save it for when he could make an informed decision.
2) Not knowing him, it's impossible to say. There are too many factors that could have affected it.
3) Not really, but I can see a possible way it could be. I suspected at the time he posted 916 that he was just using it as an excuse for not contributing much, which is what prompted my reply in post 917.

Given that you were willing to hammer Iceman earlier why have you changed your mind now that we are so close to deadline?

I haven't changed my mind. Why are you implying that I have?

I can't be bothered to ask you for your case on me again, it's obvious you haven't got one.

My case on you was made here, and further points were made here, here and here. The only thing I haven't done is to consolidate it into one post, add some more comments, and recap some of iLord's points.

[Raging Rabbit]

Bunny: Assuming Ice isn't going to be lynch, would you vote Eld? (Ice pretty much isn't being lynched today, so he can atleast produce a result)

Yes, eld is my third suspect and better than a no lynch.

There's no reason to give Ice more time to fake a result he obviously doesn't have. Like eld said above, either he knew about the role and softclaimed it when it was implied that was the reason he kept quiet (which in itself doesn't make much sense, since the way he choose to softclaim really looked like he was implying a post restriction), or he didn't and therefore didn't submit a choice. He claims to have done

both

, and is therefore clearly lying.

[icemanE]

I didn't lie. You are drawing your own conclusions about my motivations which are not correct. I didn't post because I was busy elsewhere, not because of my role. I used that fake softclaim about a post restriction as an excuse for not posting. That doesn't make me scum.