Mafia 90-Lolwat? Mafia, Game Over, Mafia Win

[armlx]

Numberfourteen(0):
Penguins of the Serengeti(2): Empking's Alt, GnKoichi,
Lowell(0):
Vino(1): Litral
Head_Honcho(0):
Empking's Alt(2): Penguins of the Serengeti, OrangePenguin
Knights of Cydonia(0):
orangepenguin(0):
Yosarian2(1): Head_Honcho
roflcopter(0):
MafiaSSK(0):
BSG(0):
StrangerCoug(1): MafiaSSK
Litral(5): roflcopter, Penguins of the Serengeti, Yosarian2, Lowell, Numberfourteen
alvinz95(0): Vino
GnKoichi(0):
To Lynch: 9
Deadline: February 18

I'm going to let Nat make the decisions on rule violation related issue as he still can post in thread and has access. Looking for replacements for Litral and SC. The above VC is probably not updated for replacements and likely wrong anyways, so correct me if necessary.

[orangepenguin]

PotS is on there twice. I think she is currently voting for Lit, but I am not quite sure.

As for the comments directed towards me yesterday and stuff, I will get to them in a sec.

[orangepenguin]

Next up is one of my favorite players due to his username: Orangepenguin

The first thing that I noticed was his second post. After PotS outed the other masons who weren't known yet, each of them reacted fierce. Except OP. But this changes later.
As you might have read, GnK is asking the masons what the difference is between the mason role #14/Yos posted and the one he got. Here's the part I mean:

SO! If anyone (#14, Yos, PoS, Lowell, OP) can tell me the difference between the real PM and the PM Yos posted (quoted below for reference) I think we may have something.

(shrug) I donno about "confirm", but here's the real mason PM.

Name: Straight G
Flavor: Your a gansterlicious pimp.
Alignment: Town--You win when all non-neutral factions besides the town are dead.
Role: Mason
Passive Abilities

The Shady Lady

: Each night, you may speak to the other people who go to The Shady Lady Gentlemen's Club at this quicktopic(http://www.quicktopic.com/42/H/9bnWjUfcej5). The people who attend this fine establishment are orangepenguin, Yosarian2, GnKoichi, Lowell, Penguins of the Sarengeti, Numberfourteen.

Confirm In-thread.

(This is something I want Lowell to answer as well) So could you please give some comments about this OP?

I have already pointed out the vote against PotS of yours. You first FoSed her, and a few posts later voted her. I don't like the reason behind it (being annoyed and pushed by SC of which the first is your reason for FoSing and the second the reason for the vote).

I'm also not happy that OP is following PotS right now with her Empking vote as he hasn't given his thoughts much yet. He has given his thoughts about Vino, but those could change if he took his time. He has given his thoughts about PotS, which are retreated after he found out that she's Strudel. Rofl is Rofl for him. He once mentioned suspicions towards SC. And he thought that KoC had given up, which he now knows isn't true as he was having a PR.

I see no difference between Yos' pm than mine or 14s. The reasoning for my vote on PotS seemed good at the time. In retrospect, I might as well have voted her right away, instead of FOSing her. Right now, my reasoning seems a null tell.

I am not really following PotS, but I do agree with her that Empking is scummy. She is now voting Litral, who I agree is scummy, but he hasn't posted in weeks, and even though a replacement would be hard, given the circumstances, and I rather see a replacement explain some of the actions from Litral, and shed some light on things.

Well, KoC did look like he was giving up, because the KoC I knew wouldn't have resorted to poem and stuff following a self-vote. Now that he has explained his PR, yeah, he wasn't giving up. You're right. But without the knowledge of his PR, none of it really made any sense.

I will admit that I am not as good as expressing my thoughts as you are, BSG, but thanks for the username compliment. I must admit that I personally think PotS is much more creative and better username, but I am partial to any usernames with penguins involved.

[GnKoichi]

Okay, I can accept at this point that either my PM has a typo in it (the difference was an extra

bold tag

, so it looked like this in the mason section.

I can quote if anyone wants to see it, but its something easily faked, so I doubt it would clear any ire I've drawn from this Gambit), or everyone saw what Vino said about the trap and simply said, "well, I'll pretend there's nothing different so that people don't vote for me".

Either way, what's even going on in the game at this point? Litral hasn't posted anything. Nobody seems to hold any stock in my last argument against PotS. No one else has drawn enough suspicion to be worth pushing. What do people think?

[Penguins of the Serengeti]

I don't see enough bus'ing in the Litral wagon.

unvote, vote: Empking

[Vino]

It'd help if Litral was around to defend himself.

My work consumes me. Posting frequency may drop.

[Penguins of the Serengeti]

It'd help if Litral was around to defend himself.

I'm so disappointed you didn't vote for Empking...

[Vino]

I'm not going to hop on a bandwagon just because you started it.

[Lowell]

@BSG- repeat your question, I must have missed it.

[Penguins of the Serengeti]

I'm not going to hop on a bandwagon just because you started it.

I would think that it would be an excellent reason. But then again, I may be biased.

[armlx]

ThAdmiral replaces Litral. In the interest of fairness, I will tell you all he has yet to receive an official role PM.

[armlx]

EBWODP: This does not mean he does not know his role, but seeing as PM quoting is allowed I felt that statement was necessary to conserve the integrity of the game.

[GnKoichi]

Requesting

Prod: Alvinz & Head Honcho

Seriously, there are plenty more who have contributed very little over the last four or five days. Someone new needs to start pushing something or we're not going to get a lynch in by the deadline.

[Empking]

I don't see enough bus'ing in the Litral wagon.

unvote, vote: Empking

Please give reasons with your vote.

[Empking's Alt]

I don't see enough bus'ing in the Litral wagon.

unvote, vote: Empking

Please give reasons with your vote.

[armlx]

Prods have been done.

[roflcopter]

litral lynch before deadline plox

[Penguins of the Serengeti]

I don't see enough bus'ing in the Litral wagon.

unvote, vote: Empking

Please give reasons with your vote.

Like I haven't given reasons before?

How about putting content in YOUR posts, Mr Righteous?

Empking is sooooo scum. Roflcopter, I think Litral is going to have to wait for Father Vig. I'm liking the Empking lynch more and more.

[Penguins of the Serengeti]

What is the deadline anyway?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Each day will last 2*living players+2, apparently, so we have 34 days for D1.
We've used 31, so if I'm right, we have 3 days to lynch.

Lynching: It takes a 50%+1 majority to lynch. If at deadline, this changes to 50%. If this is not reached at deadline, then it will be a No Lynch.

So have to choose either someone particularly scummy today, or to deal with a lurker, or a no lynch, in the next 3 days.

Mod - could we have a mass prod to alert people to the impending deadline?

[alvinz95]

Better response later.

[Knight of Cydonia]

...I hate it when people do this. At least put your vote somewhere, give an outline, and then explain it better later.

[Vino]

Three days? Holy crap, I thought the deadline was on the 17th.

blah blah vote count

To Lynch: 9
Deadline: February 18

17th, 18th, watev, apparently the date has been shifting forward one day in the future for a while. Either way, we have 15 days.

[ThAdmiral]

replacing in.

reading up.

[Head_Honcho]

I'm finally all caught up, I guess the prod helped motivate me. I'm going to start out with an

unvote

as it doesn't seem fair to let that sit on yos while I've been inactive. I'm going to need to read over the last few pages again soon before I'll be able to make a solid case of any sort.

BSG asked me a few questions, so:

(You asked why I was getting a town read from Vino early in the game)

He seemed to be semi clumsily trying to grasp how the mason mechanic could be used logically to town's advantage, people were jumping on him for wording and stuff, which people are always prone to do to Vino. I didn't find what he was doing scummy, so I felt the need to speak up as a bandwagon was gaining momentum on him and I felt that a lot of the attacks were pretty big stretches and his play had been consistent with what I had seen in the past.

Regarding your last post directed at me: I don't know what SSK posts are, so please elaborate? I accused KoC of active lurking because at the time I thought he fit the definition most, and his turnaround from completely noncontributory (guys noncontributive is not a word) posting to a sudden "oh man PotS is definitely scum" as soon as the bandwagon was picking up was very scummy to me. Really though at that point I think KoC was the most prominent active lurker, the rest were mostly either just lurking or just active. I'm not really ready to let him off the hook completely, as like, he emo-voted and started posting in prose, which has been explained by PR. Whether you buy the PR or not though, it doesn't change that when he could have still made an effort to convey meaning in verse, he instead just messed around with it. I'm going to need to read over this stuff again though.

Here's something that piqued my interest though. Vino, PotS, why were you so quick to dismiss koichi's gambit? It looked sound to me, as if we could separate the masons into groups who confirmed this mistake and wouldn't confirm this mistake, then we would definitely have something to go on. I don't understand why you would discourage it from the beginning.