subgenius wrote:SL's argument against Dekhja, as I understand it, is that he voted for Dourgrim out of a sort of vicarious OMGUS.
Thanks, that makes more sense to me now.
Beyond_Birthday wrote:Gieff, are you attempting to say that the too eager accusation is to be applied to Ting's case? I don't quite get your rationale.
Furthermore, I don't see how Ting's original post can really be seen as an accusation of Panzer being too eager. It is in the RV classification, right?
Yes, I am attempting to say that if springlullaby really believes dejkha was too eager, I think she should also believe ting was. She has said as much since, but it is still scummy to apply a scumtell inconsistently. I do understand that it is easier to notice posts about yourself than about others, which may explain why she focused on dejkha rather than ting, so the point is minor. And now that I better understand the rest of her case, her logic makes more sense to me.
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ting =) wrote:@Dour.
I'm sorry if it annoyed you. Posting was the fastest way for me to save my notes at the time.
Sending yourself a private message would probably work just as well, but I think your thought processes are good to see anyway.
ting =) wrote:The use of one word does not a concrete case make.
This is a horrible misrepresentation of my case. I was voting for Panzer long before this slip, and for very different reasons. This is simply another straw on the camel's back.
ting =) wrote:GIEFF, why are you interpreting Panzer's backtracking as lying but not myko's? The circumstances between the two are relatively identical, with both of them calling their votes alternately serious then jokey and then retracting them.
I don't think myko ever called his vote anything but a joke, and I don't see him having lied. I find him scummy, but for different reasons. You even said yourself about myko:
ting =) wrote:@Panzer.
That's the thing, I didn't think it was a scum slip at all. It just seemed like a banter-y reply to GIEFF's banter at the time.
Are you now revising that opinion? Or are you referring to something else?
ting =) wrote:These two dominated the early discussion, but I'm really not sure what to make of it. They were arguing about GIEFF's lack of a random vote till well into page 4.
This is another misrepresentation of what happened. The discussion may have started off about a random vote, but I continued it because Dourgrim's justifications for his vote of me were poor, one of which he later claimed was a joke, and another of which was shown to be inconsistently applied.
ting =) wrote:Were the attacks just exploratory and meant for gaining information about others, or would you have been willing to follow the votes to a lynch?
I don't like this question. If I was not willing to follow the vote through to a lynch, then the reason for my vote would have been to pressure Dourgrim, to see how he and others react to the possibility of him getting lynched. If I say "this is just a pressure vote, I don't mean to carry this through to lynch" then that takes away all the pressure, making the vote meaningless. That being said, I would not have been comfortable carrying it through to a lynch at the time I voted, as it was so early in the game.
ting =) wrote:Beyond birthday and goatrevolt don't stick out to me, as either town or scum. The people on top did.
What does this mean?
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springlullaby wrote:And I'm not in any way sitting the fence. As I explained, I do think you are scummy but that doesn't mean I'm convinced you are scum. And as I have also explained, I think the wagon on you is sufficient as it is so I'm in no hurry to put you closer to a lynch.
springlullaby, are you still happy with your vote of dejkha? This post looks like you are trying to have it both ways; do you think Panzer is scum or not? If two people unvoted Panzer, would you vote him? Or is the sufficiency of the wagon not the only reason you aren't voting Panzer?
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Goatrevolt, mykonian, and militant are the others not voting for Panzer. Goatrevolt seems suspicious of Panzer but has not voted him since the random stage. mykonian has not been suspicious of Panzer all game, and even called his early play "undoubtedly protown." Please let me know if I've mischaracterized your positions.
militant, what are your thoughts about Panzer? Or about anything else in this game?
You have made 3 posts so far; one confirm, one random vote, and one promise to post which was not fulfilled.
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Panzer, I am still waiting for you to make an original point. You said a while ago now that you would try to shake your wagon by scumhunting, but you have failed to do so.