726 - Mind Screw Gaiden, Game Over

[Natirasha]

Page 1 calls her "Mafia temptress."

yup.

[veerus]

Ah ok, thanks.

So Nat, what're the magic numbers now? Is it 3-1-3? Why did Vi commit suicide? Did the temptress seduce him? Why did Kinetic's posts disappear? Does it have to do with the wiretapper's death?

[MafiaSSK]

Also, "FL was acting scummy as fuck" ? NO DUH, SHE HAD ALREADY CLAIMED SHE WAS SCUM. Which YOU HAD SEEN ALREADY.

Actually I hadn't read

That part

. I skipped the past inconveinetely.

[Isacc]

Also, "FL was acting scummy as fuck" ? NO DUH, SHE HAD ALREADY CLAIMED SHE WAS SCUM. Which YOU HAD SEEN ALREADY.

Actually I hadn't read

That part

. I skipped the past inconveinetely.

Again, this is such backpedaling. I still say you're lying.

[veerus]

I was giving SSK the benefit of the doubt, but he sure isn't helping maintain that mindset...

FOS: MafiaSSK

[MafiaSSK]

Also, "FL was acting scummy as fuck" ? NO DUH, SHE HAD ALREADY CLAIMED SHE WAS SCUM. Which YOU HAD SEEN ALREADY.

Actually I hadn't read

That part

. I skipped the past inconveinetely.

Again, this is such backpedaling. I still say you're lying.

Feel free even though I'm telling the truth.

[Illumina]

FoS: MSSK and Malthusis

. I will vote Mal if he doesn't start posting content.

MSSK: How do you feel about forbiddanlight's actions? Also, when *exactly* did you become aware that forbiddanlight had claimed scum? And who's the least scummy right now?

veerus: besides MSSK, who's the most scummy to you?

[Illumina]

EBWODP: Just noticed something. Isacc, how do you know there's only one scum left?

[Tarhalindur]

Isacc, claim in your next post or die.

This is not a drill, repeat, this is not a drill.

[Tarhalindur]

Also, Wiretapper probably has the following ability: "Each day, you may target a player. Any role-related mod message that player receives will be forwarded to you"; it has the right name and I'm pretty sure I discussed the utility of that ability with Nat prior to running Mind Screw 3.

[MafiaSSK]

FoS: MSSK and Malthusis

. I will vote Mal if he doesn't start posting content.

MSSK: How do you feel about forbiddanlight's actions? Also, when *exactly* did you become aware that forbiddanlight had claimed scum? And who's the least scummy right now?

That they were overreactive and irrational and scummy. I had learned that FL had claimed scum when I saw it mentioned later. The least scummy right now is populartajo.

[Isacc]

EBWODP: Just noticed something. Isacc, how do you know there's only one scum left?

There were two and FL just died. Note post 356:

Ok, yanno what? I just read my quicktopic and Nat just pissed me off. I'm sorry to

my unnamed scumbuddy

, but I can't stand this anymore.

@Tar: Wow, quite an attack. I think I understand what happened though, as it seems a pretty logical course of events. I am guessing you role-blocked me, and since the kill didn't go through, you suspect me of being the last scum?

Well, I am sorry, but you did not block any abilities of mine last night, as I could not use any. I am not so sure about a role-claim so quickly. I can see why you want me to, but I think we can talk about this first. If others want me to claim, I will, as it will not be outing a hugely useful role.

[veerus]

veerus: besides MSSK, who's the most scummy to you?

Malthusis for not posting.. anything.
Tar for being all over the board.. that may be his play style but I've never played with him before.
And I'm still not sold on hp being town..

[veerus]

This is mind-screw which sometimes implies bastard mod which often implies that some crazy and unfair shit will go down. Live with it or don't sign up for games with a high chance of bastard modding.

Yeah, except there is a difference between bastard moddery and just plain bullshit. I'd like it if you'd

read what Tar had to say about it

. Now, if the game's set up shows that I was wrong, well, I'll apologize. But until then, I don't regret my actions.

Did anyone else catch this? Is this a slip implying that Tar saw the quicktopic in question?

vote: Tar

[populartajo]

Posting to avoid prod and to stop procrastinating this game.

[Natirasha]

So, really, no one cares that I ressureted myself?

[veerus]

Why would we? You're town aligned. Although it probably would've gotten more attention if it didn't get overshadowed by scum claiming scum.

But since you asked.. how/why did you come back?

[Natirasha]

I cannot answer that question. All I'll say is that someone has a heart.

[veerus]

Where is everybody?

[Illumina]

I'm here, but waiting for Tar to respond.

MSSK: can you be more specific when you say forbiddanlight was being really scummy before you realized she had claimed scum? If it wasn't her admission that she was scum, what was it?

tajo: who's least and most scummy to you right now?

[MafiaSSK]

MSSK: can you be more specific when you say forbiddanlight was being really scummy before you realized she had claimed scum? If it wasn't her admission that she was scum, what was it?

Her emotionalness to attacks.

[Tarhalindur]

EBWODP: Just noticed something. Isacc, how do you know there's only one scum left?

There were two and FL just died. Note post 356:

Ok, yanno what? I just read my quicktopic and Nat just pissed me off. I'm sorry to

my unnamed scumbuddy

, but I can't stand this anymore.

@Tar: Wow, quite an attack. I think I understand what happened though, as it seems a pretty logical course of events. I am guessing you role-blocked me, and since the kill didn't go through, you suspect me of being the last scum?

Well, I am sorry, but you did not block any abilities of mine last night, as I could not use any. I am not so sure about a role-claim so quickly. I can see why you want me to, but I think we can talk about this first. If others want me to claim, I will, as it will not be outing a hugely useful role.

Hmm, I was a bit hasty when I asked for claim - I didn't take into account all possible reasons for what I saw.

You are correct that I roleblocked you. You are incorrect in assuming that I suspect you because my roleblock did not result in a kill (all that says to me is that you are non-metal).

The reason why I suspect you is very simple: there is strongly implied to be a missing kill yesterday. Let's take a look at the Day 1 flavor: Natirasha was lynched (1 kill), zwetschenwasser died from Supersaint hammer (2 kills), hp [leaves] was killed by me (3 kills), Kinetic was killed by an unknown hand (4 kills)*, and both the Day 2 flavor and forbiddanlight indicate that the Mafia kill was blocked by Natirasha's Doc protect (5 kills).

Now, let's take a look at last night. There are two kills; forbiddanlight was lynched (1 kill) and Vi was killed by an unknown hand. The third kill from D1 (zwetschenwasser) was a 1-shot kill, so that accounts for 1 missing kill; another kill can be accounted for by the fact that my ability only kills metal (so Isacc is not metal). That still, however, leaves 1 missing kill. Where could it have gone? Some possibilities:

1) I blocked a kill.
2) Another, unrevealed role with a protective/roleblocking ability blocked a kill. Doubtful, IMO, since this requires at least two means of preventing a kill in the game (this can lead to problems - see Battlestar Galactica), but not completely impossible (I've considered running extremely protection-heavy setups in the past).
3) Forbiddanlight had a kill-preventing ability and blocked a kill before lynch (not impossible given the role name - I suspect she was some form of roleblocker - but somewhat unlikely).
4) The Beloved Princess is responsible for the missing kill (would require either a blocked kill tonight or a retaliatory kill D1, both of which are unusual for the role)
5) hp [leaves] was the SK or a similar killing role (depends on what robo-supremacist does... buffed SK and Inquisitor/Vigicultist both seem plausible).

The first explanation is the simplest, but by no means the easiest. I need to think this over.

* - Something is amiss here... take a look at the player list on the first page. Kinetic does not appear ANYWHERE on the player list. Instead, Natirasha seems to have taken his place.

Speaking of Natirasha, that mysterious resurrection also bugs me. I had doubts about Natirasha's claimed explanation even before I noticed this (uh, his role is frakking Jesus... rising from the dead after

3

1 days, anyone?) and there is precedent for Mind Screw games having roles that change alignments after reviving (hi, MafiaSSK)... I trust his new incarnation far less than his old one.

[MafiaSSK]

EBWODP: Just noticed something. Isacc, how do you know there's only one scum left?

Speaking of Natirasha, that mysterious resurrection also bugs me. I had doubts about Natirasha's claimed explanation even before I noticed this (uh, his role is frakking Jesus... rising from the dead after

3

1 days, anyone?) and there is precedent for Mind Screw games having roles that change alignments after reviving (hi, MafiaSSK)... I trust his new incarnation far less than his old one.

Do you think a 1 day delay Judas is actually possible?

[Tarhalindur]

EBWODP: Just noticed something. Isacc, how do you know there's only one scum left?

Speaking of Natirasha, that mysterious resurrection also bugs me. I had doubts about Natirasha's claimed explanation even before I noticed this (uh, his role is frakking Jesus... rising from the dead after

3

1 days, anyone?) and there is precedent for Mind Screw games having roles that change alignments after reviving (hi, MafiaSSK)... I trust his new incarnation far less than his old one.

Do you think a 1 day delay Judas is actually possible?

Uh, 1-day delay Judas sounds positively simple given some of the roles Nat knows about... hell, I've used both parts of that ability before (delayed ability resolution and Judas both have precedent in completed Mind Screw games).

The bigger problem here is, why is Kinetic not appearing in the list of players in any way, and why is Natirasha appearing where he is?

[MafiaSSK]

EBWODP: Just noticed something. Isacc, how do you know there's only one scum left?

Speaking of Natirasha, that mysterious resurrection also bugs me. I had doubts about Natirasha's claimed explanation even before I noticed this (uh, his role is frakking Jesus... rising from the dead after

3

1 days, anyone?) and there is precedent for Mind Screw games having roles that change alignments after reviving (hi, MafiaSSK)... I trust his new incarnation far less than his old one.

Do you think a 1 day delay Judas is actually possible?

Uh, 1-day delay Judas sounds positively simple given some of the roles Nat knows about... hell, I've used both parts of that ability before (delayed ability resolution and Judas both have precedent in completed Mind Screw games).

The bigger problem here is, why is Kinetic not appearing in the list of players in any way, and why is Natirasha appearing where he is?

Could the Judas ability have also killed one of the mafia members when Natirasha got revived as possibly one of the mafia members?