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Exactly.Kmd4390 wrote:
Are you getting this from your role PM?Caboose wrote:Then you should know that if a townie leaves with a scum, then the townie will lose.
Unvote, Vote Caboose
In the OP, it says don't leave with married people.
Hint: I don't see that in my Role PM.
Asking Mod via PM if my paraphrasing of it is ok.
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Well, then, you either didn't get a town role PM or mole and I have some kind of survivor aspect to our roles, I'm inclined to believe it's the former.Kmd4390 wrote:
I win when all of the scum are out.Kmd4390 wrote: Asking Mod via PM if my paraphrasing of it is ok.
Exactly? You are saying that town loses by leaving with scum. I do NOT see that in my Role PM at all.Caboose wrote:
Exactly.Kmd4390 wrote:
Are you getting this from your role PM?Caboose wrote:Then you should know that if a townie leaves with a scum, then the townie will lose.
Unvote, Vote Caboose
In the OP, it says don't leave with married people.
Hint: I don't see that in my Role PM.
Asking Mod via PM if my paraphrasing of it is ok.
What's with the vote?
Since Max said analyzing our win cons aren't going to help, I'll stop talking about it.-
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*facepalm*molestargazer wrote:
I don't like this argument.EGL wrote:Can't we wait to lynch Zwet until Zwet is at a table with another married person though? Or at least at a table with someone who doesn't have a PhD?
We have to lynch scum. Which means that we have to lynch whoever is at the scum's table.
Any one of us could come up with an argument like yours (even scum) as to why they shouldn't be lynched -I always win as town, trust me, orI have a Psychology degree, whatever. In my opinion, that is completely irrelevant. It smacks as an attempt to save your own life, and ignoring the main issue here - lynching someone who could very well be scum, and helping the town (Or in this case, the honest single people looking for a date!).
Now, the 'mrs' thing is a very difficult situation. It could be an honest mistake, as zwet has claimed. Or it could be a scum slip-up. Whilst this means I don't think we should lynch based on this evidence alone, it does go a way towards it.
Sometime when I have time, I'll try and do a post-by-post of Zwet's play so far and see what comes up.
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Ever thought that this game could be protective role heavy?roffman wrote:The last few posts confuse me. Are people debating the viability of the doc claim, or am I missing something?
I've been thinking about it, and realised a rather startling fact. In this game, I don't think the mafia actually have a night kill. If they did, 1 mislynch followed by a NK would leave 8/9 people in the game, 2 or 3 of which could be mafia. Which, seeing as we lynch 2 by 2, is lylo. This makes me doubt the presence of a doc role in this setup, as the potential killing power of the mafia far exceed normal balance measures. Added to this zwet's actions, and I feel I have a compelling reason to vote off the entire table.unvote, vote: zwetschenwasser
N.B. My numbers and percieved effictiveness of the mafia's supposed NK may be off. If you see any number fallacies that I may have made, please point them out so I may correct my assumptions.-
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Why couldn't you tell us this before?Kmd4390 wrote:
Basically, I figured he had doc flavor, but wasn't a real doc.molestargazer wrote:I thought your reason for doubting the doc idea was down to your role, Kmd?
I guess it doesn't hurt to explain why I thought this.
When I thought we lynched Zwet before, I sent in a night action. I was told by the Mod that my role wasn't what I thought it was. It was just flavor. So it made me think EGL's role was probably just doc flavor too.
I didn't reveal this right away because it's basically claiming. But yeah. That was my reasoning for thinking EGL wasn't really a doc OR lying about his role.-
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Soon after Jebus shows up, zwet's "slip" occurs. Jebus is on the zwet wagon early, by the way. But then, Jebus turns on Kmd...
This comes after Kmd's "hammer." Jebus doesn't waste anytime flinging the bullcrap at Kmd for hammering someone that Jebus knows will flip town.Jebus wrote:So why did it come up as a good idea to hammer zwet without even letting him say very much in defense?
And how the hell did we get to hammertime so quickly?
+scumpoints for Jebus
Well what do you expect to get as defense of a typo?
...and Jebus continues to heap the bullcrap onto Kmd even BEFORE the day ends. What's your frikin' point in the post anyway? Preemptive crap attacks are scummy.Jebus wrote:"Oh, it appears I've pressed the wrong key on my keyboard. Mis-typing something so vital is a null tell at best - anyone, town or scum, could possibly be prone to doing it"
And I should probably recount the votes to confirm hammer...
+scumpoints for Jebus
I don't believe this. You know it was a joke. You just wanted to put some bull**** in the gas tank of the zwet wagon to fuel it just enough to get it to a lynch.Jebus wrote:Claiming jester, joke or not('cause being on the internet, I can't tell which), is very scummy.
Using your vote just to "pressure" someone is just flat out Stupid, with a capital S.Jebus wrote:But honestly, I've not got anything on anyone yet, so I look to pressuring zwet.
Almost immediately after I drop the hammer, Jebus starts distancing himself from the lynch:
AFTER he made this post:Jebus wrote:What a waste of a lynch, imo.
Now, the fact that Jebus is at a table with me could be a problem for me...Jebus wrote:Prove it, please, or explain your thinking.
By the way, I still don't really get this game
So let's get this straight -
>You claimed Mrs. Johnston
>You correct yourself, saying it was Miss. The reason I don't completely believe it is because I would have expected you to say Ms, which I would have taken as a typo any day.
>Aside from that, you nameclaimed before we really got any thoughts on it. [Jumping the gun/haste]
>You think EGL is scum, and I've got no clue why you say this.
>You mention Jester.
>You self-vote.
You are at L-1, and I really want to hear what you've got to say, so for the sake of avoiding a quicklynch, unvote: Zwet
That vote will almost surely be replaced sooner or later.
As for EGL, there are no nights, and you've soft-claimed power role. Full claim please?-
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Fixed.roffman wrote:@Kmd: Dropping a hammer is in and of itself, never a scum tell.
Who was in doubt about the mechanics?roffman wrote:Dropping the hammer early, in game where there is still extreme doubt about the mechanics, and you knowingly kill 2 people at once, is.
[craplogic]Kmd was wrong about zwet. Therefore, Kmd cannot be trusted[/craplogic]Kmd wrote:What ad hom? And even if it is, what does it matter?
He's trying to attack your credibility, not the argument, which bothers me.
Dropping a well-reasoned hammer isa scumtell.NOT-
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Not voting for townie lynch =/= towntellMonkeyMan576 wrote:
I refused to vote off two townies and it's a negative point against me? Okay.Nightfall wrote:
Maybe that's a negative point against you then...MonkeyMan576 wrote:It wasn't well reasoned enough for me to be on board, so I'm not letting him off the hook.-
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Not being on town wagons is not even a towntell.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
There's a difference between something being a "towntell" and being "cleared". If you want to think I'm scum that's up to you, but for myself I'm going to suggest we look heavily at voting records and suggest to others to do the same.Caboose wrote:No, but not voting for townies doesn't clear you.
In fact, it's a very very very very mild scumtell.
Stop trying to declare yourself town because you didn't vote for zwet. It's kind of scummy.-
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They usually don't want to have anything to do with a townie lynch.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I didn't declare myself town, I was defending myself against people who were calling me out without any reasoning. And explain to me how refusing to vote off townies is a scumtell.Caboose wrote:
Not being on town wagons is not even a towntell.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
There's a difference between something being a "towntell" and being "cleared". If you want to think I'm scum that's up to you, but for myself I'm going to suggest we look heavily at voting records and suggest to others to do the same.Caboose wrote:No, but not voting for townies doesn't clear you.
In fact, it's a very very very very mild scumtell.
Stop trying to declare yourself town because you didn't vote for zwet. It's kind of scummy.-
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Apparently, you've never heard of bussing.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
No, we don't know for sure, but when building a case for someone or against someone, surely you would want to avoid lynchking those who are consistantly voting town and lynch those who are consistantly voting scum, is my thinking.molestargazer wrote:Monkey - surely that only applies if the case made is actually 100%against scum? It could be an amazing case, but scum could still jump on it, promote its wisdom, and lynch a townie.
Since we don't know, we can't be sure the alignment of those who jump on.-
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Well, then. Shouldn't we be looking at peopleMonkeyMan576 wrote:
I certainly have heard of it, but you don't want to base a strategy on something that's the exception rather than the rule. More often than not, townies vote town and scum vote scum.Caboose wrote:
Apparently, you've never heard of bussing.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
No, we don't know for sure, but when building a case for someone or against someone, surely you would want to avoid lynchking those who are consistantly voting town and lynch those who are consistantly voting scum, is my thinking.molestargazer wrote:Monkey - surely that only applies if the case made is actually 100%against scum? It could be an amazing case, but scum could still jump on it, promote its wisdom, and lynch a townie.
Since we don't know, we can't be sure the alignment of those who jump on.noton the zwet wagon by your logic?-
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Now I'mDrippingGoofball wrote:
I know it sounds too good to be true, but I have to admit to a major drawback. I'm a miller, too.Caboose wrote:Not buying the DGB claim.reallynot buying your claim.
Plus, assuming that you are telling the truth, you ever thought of the possibility of a mafia roleblocker?-
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So you think it's unreasonable to think of the possibility of a mafia RB?DrippingGoofball wrote:
No, is it you?Caboose wrote:Plus, assuming that you are telling the truth, you ever thought of the possibility of a mafia roleblocker?
If you're telling the truth, your role sounds kind of broken if there isn't a mafia RB to cancel you out. Also, if you're the cop, what's the use of making you a miller?-
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DrippingGoofball wrote:Caboose wrote:Plus, assuming that you are telling the truth, you ever thought of the possibility of a mafia roleblocker?No, is it you?
Wow, I must be the mafia RB to expect that there is such an exotic role as that.DGB wrote:I got an innocent on The Count Night 1, andno resultNight 2.-
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DGB's falseclaimed:Kmd4390 wrote:Will someone explain the DGB votes please?
[*]Her "role" of "NK immune miller cop" sounds ridiculously broken.
[*]She claimed to have "no result" on N2.
[*]There aren't any NKs in this game, so I don't see how NK immunity would be applicable in this game.
[*]If DGB really is the cop, then what's the point of making her a miller? The only way that's possible is if there's a second cop, which sounds incredibly unbalanced.
DGB's scummy behavior:
[*]When I bring up the possibility of a mafia RB, which I believe is perfectly reasonable given her overpowered claimed role, DGB immediately accuses me of being the mafia RB for some reason.
[*]She bandwagons for no apparent coming into the game, which is starting to look like a bus to me.-
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Everyone: Please ignore my previous post as the list tags are screwed up.
DGB's falseclaimed:Kmd4390 wrote:Will someone explain the DGB votes please?- Her "role" of "NK immune miller cop" sounds ridiculously broken.
- She claimed to have "no result" on N2.
- There aren't any NKs in this game, so I don't see how NK immunity would be applicable in this game.
- If DGB really is the cop, then what's the point of making her a miller? The only way that's possible is if there's a second cop, which sounds incredibly unbalanced.
- When I bring up the possibility of a mafia RB, which I believe is perfectly reasonable given her overpowered claimed role, DGB immediately accuses me of being the mafia RB for some reason.
- She bandwagons for no apparent coming into the game, which is starting to look like a bus to me.
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I didn't expect a player like DGB to make such a sloppy fakeclaim, either.Kmd4390 wrote:Is DGB more likely to make an obvious fakeclaim as scum than as town?
Who else besides scum would fake claim cop?
And if DGB comes out and says she did this "for reactions," my vote will stand.
Yes. Flinging around unjustified suspicions is scummy.I doubt a RB exists. I doubt any power roles exist (Nobody tell me otherwise. I don't want this post to be someone's excuse for claiming out of nowhere.) But do you honestly think DGB had scummy motives for calling you RB?
It's not based on anything real and it would make DGB look good if you ended up flipping scum.Kmd wrote:What makes it look like a bus by the way?
That's weak, though. But still, the wagoning troubles me.-
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DrippingGoofball wrote:The 'no result' was on Caboose, that's why I'm certain Caboose is the mafia roleblocker. It's a powerful scum role, we have to kill her today.
Also, just a friendly reminder of the blue symbol under my avatar.
This made me lol.DGB wrote:TOWN:
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^Scummy, big time.Nightfall wrote:Is it possible that we have a Jester type role?
And by DGB's list I seem to be both town and scum... :S
+lots of scumpoints for Nightfall
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No, the case is pretty much DGBKmd4390 wrote:
The case is pretty much your playstyle is scummy.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Hahahaha, ah ah aaaaAaAaAaaaaaaaaKmd4390 wrote:I really don't agree with the case on DGB so far.
HAHAHAH ahhahdhhahha *sigh* Hahhahah
What is it going to take?????
Pray tell, what is it you disagree with?fakeclaimedcop.
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Nightfall wrote:You weren't voting her either until just a little while ago.
I voted her after I realized her claim was BS, which was yesterday. I think everyone who posted today on should be aware of that fact.The second voter on the DGB wagon wrote:Yeah, the DGB claim is pure excrement.
Vote: DGB
Jester speculation is just crap and a way for scum to excuse the scummy actions of their about to be lynched scumbuddy.
Also, even if by some really, really, really slim chance DGB IS really a jester, she still needs to be lynched because jesters are anti-town, which is just about the same thing as scum. The only exception to this is if the game ends if a jester is lynched, in which case, this will be the last Max game I play.-
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