Mini 746: Speed Dating - I've Had The Time Of My Life (Over)

[Kmd4390]

10 - During twilight, everyone may talk until night falls.

So why did it come up as a good idea to hammer zwet without even letting him say very much in defense?

And how the hell did we get to hammertime so quickly?

He straight up slipped with the "Mrs." post. There's no defense to a slip other than "oops. Not what I meant." We already gave him that:

Oops. I meant miss. Sorry. I'm sort of distracted tonight.

And I explained why it's ok lynching him (or "letting him leave") with a power role at his table, so I won't do that again unless someone wants clarification.

Also, we should take full advantage of this twilight rule. Just DO NOT give opinions on who you think is town right now. But feel free to discuss anything scummy about reactions to Zwet's slip or even my hammer. I'm going to look at Zwet's slip now to see if anyone was slow to react. If they were, and he flips scum, there's a likely partner. If he flips town, look at players who voted him.

[Kmd4390]

Can't we wait to lynch Zwet until Zwet is at a table with another married person though? Or at least at a table with someone who doesn't have a PhD?

I don't like this argument.
We have to lynch scum. Which means that we have to lynch whoever is at the scum's table.
Any one of us could come up with an argument like yours (even scum) as to why they shouldn't be lynched -

I always win as town, trust me

, or

I have a Psychology degree

, whatever. In my opinion, that is completely irrelevant. It smacks as an attempt to save your own life, and ignoring the main issue here - lynching someone who could very well be scum, and helping the town (Or in this case, the honest single people looking for a date!).

Now, the 'mrs' thing is a very difficult situation. It could be an honest mistake, as zwet has claimed. Or it could be a scum slip-up. Whilst this means I don't think we should lynch based on this evidence alone, it does go a way towards it.
Sometime when I have time, I'll try and do a post-by-post of Zwet's play so far and see what comes up.

Possible partner.

[Kmd4390]

EGL claimed a certain pro-town power role.

Possible partner.

[zwetschenwasser]

Wow. You all are idiots. I wasn't scum. I made an honest mistake about my prefix, and you lynch me. Sheesh. I hope EGL was unmarried, so I can satisfy my win condition of leaving with an unmarried person. KMD is screaming scum. Go town!

[Kmd4390]

If Zwet is town, BSG and The Countess get scumpoints.

I realize my hammer looks bad if he is town too. =/

[zwetschenwasser]

You are scum, KMD, and idiotic scum at that.

[Kmd4390]

I did say I expect to get flak...

[Jebus]

He straight up slipped with the "Mrs." post. There's no defense to a slip other than "oops. Not what I meant." We already gave him that:

Well what do you expect to get as defense of a typo?

"Oh, it appears I've pressed the wrong key on my keyboard. Mis-typing something so vital is a null tell at best - anyone, town or scum, could possibly be prone to doing it"

And I should probably recount the votes to confirm hammer...

[Kmd4390]

He straight up slipped with the "Mrs." post. There's no defense to a slip other than "oops. Not what I meant." We already gave him that:

Well what do you expect to get as defense of a typo?

"Oh, it appears I've pressed the wrong key on my keyboard. Mis-typing something so vital is a null tell at best - anyone, town or scum, could possibly be prone to doing it"

And I should probably recount the votes to confirm hammer...

Exactly my point about no defense being available for a slip.

And I'm near positive that my vote was a hammer.

[Jebus]

How many do we need to hammer?

I counted five votes on Zwet, I'm pretty sure with 12 alive that 7 is a hammer. So L-2.

Yikes.

[Kmd4390]

How many do we need to hammer?

I counted five votes on Zwet, I'm pretty sure with 12 alive that 7 is a hammer. So L-2.

Yikes.

Hmm. You are actually right. I was confusing this with another game and assuming that we voted WITH people at our tables.

Now what we have to ask ourselves is this. Was his "go town" post sincere, or did he realize what you did and want to try to pass off a "go town" post?

[Caboose]

The recent zwet wagon was a load of horsehockey.
Scum probably was on it.

[zwetschenwasser]

Wait. I'm not dead?

[molestargazer]

Well, that's a very strange turn of events. Could be potentially useful.
Will post more when I have time.

[Max]

Apparently, zwetschenwasser accidental slipped that she's married, I'm telling you those are some pretty impressive breasts to be honest I don't care I'd shag her anyway

Current Player Vote Count:
zwetschenwasser (5): MonkeyMan576, The Countess, Jebus, BSG, Kmd4390

The Countess (2): Molestargazer, Caboose

Caboose (1): zwetschenwasser
BSG (1): EGL
Kmd4390 (1): The Count

Not Voting (2): The Rest
7 to Lynch

Current Table Vote Count
Table 2 - Zwetschenwasser and EGL (5): MonkeyMan576, The Countess, Jebus, BSG, Kmd4390

Table 6 - The Countess and Nightfall (2): Molestargazer, Caboose

Table 1 - BSG and The Count (1): EGL
Table 3 - roffman and Kmd4390 (1): The Count
Table 5 - Caboose and Monkeyman576 (1): zwetschenwasser

Not Voting (2): The Rest

8 to Lynch

[Nightfall]

_~ Nightfall has returned and is catching up - please be patient ~_

[Nightfall]

I think it's almost safe to say that I'm a little bit more confused now then I was before catching up....

So we have a player he wrongly thought he was lynched and partially claimed...
(oddly this happened in two of my games while I was away)

While I believe that Zwet's (Mrs.) post could be a typo I'm not sure how strongly I believe it.
While I myself often mess up in day to day use of mrs and miss (which would lead me to believe that it very well could have been a typo/error), if I was to claim like Zwet's did I would have first looked at my role pm and taken my name directly from there (leading me to believe slightly more that it could have been a scum slip and not an error).

Turning to those who are voting Zwets, although I think it is very possible (if Zwet's isn't scum himself) that at least one of our scum is on his wagon, there are also likely many protown members too. If I had been here I might have been one of them... I'm not sure what to do with my vote right now to be honest...
The lynching of a player and his/her fellow table partner really puts an interesting twist on this game...

[zwetschenwasser]

So I wasn't dead. KMD, why did you act like you hammered me?

[Kmd4390]

So I wasn't dead. KMD, why did you act like you hammered me?

Thought I did. I was confusing the rules with Double Head rules. With those rules, my vote would have been hammer.

[Kmd4390]

Actually, BSG would have been hammer...

[zwetschenwasser]

Interesting.

Unvote; Vote: KMD

[Jebus]

Wait, why vote KMD?

And again, does anyone have any thoughts on nameclaim (eg yes/no, or how to go about it?)

[Caboose]

Nameclaims are going to do squat for us.
Still like my countess vote.

[Nightfall]

Actually, BSG would have been hammer...

Sorry, if this is really obvious, but how is that?

[molestargazer]

So what does Kmd's attempt at a hammer tell us about his alignment? Unfortunately for me, I'm seeing both sides.
1. It could have been the attempt of a townie to hammer someone he thought was scum without giving them the pass to move on to Day 2, where he may be forgotten or overlooked in finding more scum.

OR

2. It could have been the attempt of a scum to hammer a townie with 'legitimate reasons' for doing so, thus ending the day and removing all of our allotted time for discussion.

If it weren't for zwet's slip which certainly puts him on the track for being scum, I'd be saying #2. But right now, I'd say it's the first. But, obviously, so secure this, we have to think about zwet's alignment.

So now we're back in the position of whether or not to give Zwet a push out of the door for his slip, or to leave him until tomorrow where he may be coupled with a less powerful pro-town role, if EGL's claim is to be believed.

This leads us to his 'bah' post in 'twilight'.

Wow. You all are idiots. I wasn't scum. I made an honest mistake about my prefix, and you lynch me. Sheesh. I hope EGL was unmarried, so I can satisfy my win condition of leaving with an unmarried person. KMD is screaming scum. Go town!

Now, (no offense meant here) but the impression that I've been getting of zwet so far this game is that he's a little slow when it comes to keeping up with things:

don't even understand who's scum and who's not.

(Note he caught flak for this post too)

Actually, the win conditions confuse me.

This is hurting my head...

Backing off before the pressure starts, eh?

(Here it was fairly obvious, and had been confirmed by Kmd and myself in posts 119 and 120, that the Jebus votes were due to inactivity, therefore if he returns, the votes would be lifted)
This would fit with his slip-up of Mrs, and would lead me to believe that if Kmd said that he had hammered Zwet, zwet would go right ahead and post a bah post without even double-checking whether or not he was lynched - which leads me to think that Zwet is actually pro-town, and the 'twilight' post was genuine.

Therefore, I would lean towards Kmd being scum right now (See #2 at the top of this post), despite some of zwet's less-than-pro-town behaviour that we've seen so far.

Unvote: The Countess
Vote: Kmd4390