Sushi Mafia! Game Over

[DrippingGoofball]

Vanilla sushi, yum, sounds really authentic.

[shaft.ed]

serenity2 replaces Hybris effective immediately

[zwetschenwasser]

What's wrong with vanilla sushi?

[DrippingGoofball]

What's wrong with vanilla sushi?

I bet pregnant women crave it.

[zwetschenwasser]

Yay??

[raider8169]

What's wrong with vanilla sushi?

I bet pregnant women crave it.

Well I would take that bet as my wife was preggo last year and never craved that

[zwetschenwasser]

*walks discreetly away from conversation*

[Pear Bear]

Vote: Pear Bear

Just lurking over here as my random vote on MK seems to have been a bit more than just random...

Admitting to lurking, just as Santos did. No explanation for why he's keeping his vote on MK.

I kept it there because I had no intentions of doing any scumhunting on day one and everyone seemed to think he was scum, while I had little-no opinion.

Sorry for not addressing you, Plum, but I hadnt noticed that you voted me.
I was hesitant to post because my random vote for MK seemed to have been a decent pick in the first place, and I was assessing what everyone else was thinking to determine if I wanted to keep my vote on MK or not.
I realize, now, that random voting and then lurking when everyone else jumps aboard is really sketchy and I don't plan on doing it again. As for MK and his alleged role fishing, In some cases role fishing can be pro-town, and I think that this may be one of those cases.

Unvote MK

Unvoted after being called out by Plum. Admitting that just staying on the wagon for no reason other than his random vote was scummy. Try to do some scumhunting instead of just guessing.[/b]

I've tried scum hunting, but apparently I'm not very good at it because whenever I state my suspicions I make myself look scummy.

I understand that I'm looking realllllly scummy right now. My half-baked plan has basically blown up in my face. I was hoping that if I had kept my vote on MK he would be lynched and turn out to be scum, but towards the end of that process I began to doubt his scumminess. That combined with pressure to act in someway caused me to remove my vote. However, I didn't think that Santos was scum either, and that by being one of the few to not vote him I would assure my nonscumminess.
Ive made a newb mistake that could potentially end up killing me, and hurting the town.
Fail.

I was also extremely surprised that I wasnt on Plums list of suspects as he was the only person to vote me yesterday and now I look 1000x scummier than then.

And finally, I don't fully comprehend the hasty flameaxe voting...

Again, just hoping that MK was scum. He didn't believe he was scum, he just stayed on the wagon in HOPES that he was scum. And to act in someway? You mean acting town instead of just acting like scum which you most likely are? Also, not voting for someone whose lynched does not assure you non-scumminess, regardless of their alignment.

Also, the last comment was definitely buddying up to Flameaxe. He had one vote on him from Plum, and it was the beginning of the day phase. If Pear Bear flips scum, I bet that Flameaxe will flip scum as well.

Ive already explained my actions on day one, Im unable to analyze such little information that is provided from day 1 in order to convince myself someone is worth voting based solely on my own thoughts. I was intentionally mindlessly following the majority, because the majority was town, and you all know much better than I do. As for the flameaxe thing, if/when I flip town, that should not take suspicion off of flameaxe.

Stupid question:

Does scum know the identity of other scum in this game?

This is one of a few dumb questions by Pear Bear. I feel that he's stupidly trying to make it look like he has no idea how the scum work in this game.

I believe the first post says that if you have any questions fee free to ask them here. This is what I did, and I feel like its a question worth asking.

It was my first game in which I had been present for the first day.
I had/still have absolutely no way of personally analyzing people on the first day, and, I won't lie, my mindset during that entire day was to keep informed and follow the majority because most of you know much better than me what youre doing.

So basically, you're saying that you're just going to follow the bandwagon, correct?

Again, you has no interest in scumhunting

I dont know what you define as scum hunting.
What I am doing is observing everyone and basing opinions about them through those observations, once in a while I will attempt to voice these thoughts just to be brought back into the spotlight of suspicion with my suspicions swept under the carpet. So I tend to keep them to myself most of the time.

Like I mentioned before, my mindset on day 1 was to trust the more experienced majority, as I at no point, that day, was ever fully convinced that anyone was scum.

Santos admitted to having a

safe claim.

You didn't think he was scum then?

I legitimately do not know what a safe claim is or what it has to do with someones level of scumminess. I will look it up after posting this.

This will be very interesting later on if OGML flips scum. I already suspect plum for a few fallable reasons, one of them being that whenever someone votes against me, and I am town, they automatically jump into my line of sight as potential scum, because theyre voting to lynch town. Also, in nearly every mafia game Ive played, those players who you think are "likely town" and do the best job at looking the part of a townie, end up being scum. And Plum is doing a great job at looking pro-town.

vote OGML for the time being

FSS summed this up pretty well. That is absolutely terrible reasoning for suspecting Plum. Obviously OMGUS. And again, no real scumhunting.

And this is a perfect example of how my newb tendancies and inexperience are being horribly misinterpereted for scum behaviour, by more experienced players who are either confusing themselves, or going for an easy kill.

I was simply putting my thoughts out there.

No. Do not use the "I'm a newb" excuse. That is again, horrible reasoning. They're not being misinterpreted because that's what you meant. And if it isn't, then explain what you did mean.

Usable as an excuse or not, it's fact.

If there were two scum groups, how likely would it be that they know eachothers identities?
I would think that if they were aware of eachother it would defeat the purpose of seperating them.

Currently, I'm still the most convinced by the case against OGML, and I have yet to see a post with anything solid enough to lynch Az, but I'm still waiting.
And I'm still suspicious of Plum.

Here's another example of one of those really stupid questions.

You never really explained why you voted for OGML. In your post where you voted for him, you just said that if OGML is scum, then Plum is scum. And your reasoning for being suspicious of Plum is still horrible. "Well, Plum is voting for me. She must be scum." Seriously, you're not doing ANY scumhunting.

His last few comments I already commented upon. He's trying to tell everyone that his case is not at good as OGML's. I did agree with this, but he was trying to play it off as if it was nothing.

To sum it up, I'm voting for Pear Bear because:
Admitting to lurking
Keeping his vote on MK in

hope

that he was scum until he was called out for it

No actual scumhunting

(This is my main reason why)
Crappy reasoning for why he thinks Plum is scum (lol rhyme)
newb defense
Brushing off the wagon on him as if it was nothing

1. I suck at "scumhunting"
2. I have little enthusiasm for "scumhunting"
3. This is my second mafia game, ever.

These factors should not make me scum.


This is all the defense I can muster ATM as I am tired and in need of a shower. Maybe I'll pop in later tonight and do some of your definition of"scumhunting". But don't hold your breath.

[Pear Bear]

EBWOP:

Sorry for the shitty quote tag fail.

[DrippingGoofball]

I read Pear Bear's post three times, because (1) quote tag failure, haha, and (2) I've never quite seen anything quite like it before.

If I coldly look at the content, it's scummy as hell.

But if I try to get down to what Pear Bear may actually be thinking and whether or not he's honest about it, I'm thinking that he genuinely means what he says, but we're programmed to interpret that sort of discourse as scummy.

So a couple of questions for Pear Bear.

Who would you consider voting for today?

In particular, since you brought him up, do you think Flameaxe is scum? If so, what does your gut tell you and why.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm clarifying that my claim was 100% fake as I have not yet got my role PM. I also second DGB's questions.

[ortolan]

Pear Bear admitting to "not doing any scum-hunting day one" won't help you much, because not only is it a newb-tell, but also possibly a scum-tell.

And I would ask what are you doing playing mafia if you don't like scum-hunting?

[raider8169]

I'm clarifying that my claim was 100% fake as I have not yet got my role PM. I also second DGB's questions.

Though I agree with the questions being asked and I am looking forward to an answer I would rather comment on how did you came up with that role you made up as I couldnt even understand it.

[zwetschenwasser]

I have no idea. ;=)

[DrippingGoofball]

I have no idea. ;=)

zwet is a one-man Worst Role Idea mafia game.

[zwetschenwasser]

^I'm sigging this...

[Azhrei]

zwet, I like you already That said, I have no idea what to think of you gamewise.

For those who think Talitha might've gotten a guilty on me, well, of course I'm gonna say she didn't. Regardless, I'd say that OGML was much more likely to have warranted an investigation N1 than I would've been, as his play was somewhat unusual Day 1.

On the Flameaxe, well I'd have to agree he's a super-lurker. I'm not sure if he's scummy due to this, but I would like him to talk.

For Pear Bear, I'm not so sure. Some of the things he says would seem scummy from an experienced player, but as he is new, I kinda think he is newbie town. I've had a couple of screwups in other games where I've helped lynch a new player for 'scummy' things, and it turned out they were town. I think that might be the case with PB here.

As such,

Vote: Flameaxe

for lurking so much. Talk boy, talk.

[Flameaxe]

Good luck with that, I guess.

[ortolan]

Are you going to attempt to defend from the cop's breadcrumb even?

Those voting for PB instead of Flameaxe, do you disagree with me on the breadcrumb?

[Riceballtail]

Actually, I have to agree with the probable breadcrumb. It doesn't help that Flameaxe hasn't done anything beneficial. I have to agree with ortolan on this one.

VOTE:Flameaxe

[Riceballtail]

Actually, I have to agree with the probable breadcrumb. It doesn't help that Flameaxe hasn't done anything beneficial. I have to agree with ortolan on this one.

VOTE:Flameaxe

[sirdanilot]

What PB's defense comes down to, is purely that he is a newbie. Normally, I would be inclined to play with newbies (outside of newbie games) no differently than with experienced players. This is better for the newbies and can also exploit their weaknesses. This helps the play of the game AND the play of the newbie in his next games.

However, in this case I cannot play with PB like this, for two reasons. Firstly, I know for a fact that he is completely new to this kind of mafia. I used to play with him on a different site and we played a game that did have the mafia concept of uninformed majority, informed minority, but that's mostly it. It's not anything like the kind of mafia played here, so I am very inclined to believe he is in fact a newbie to scumhunting. It would've been better for him to join a newbie game first to learn how to scumhunt without any guidelines other than what the players are saying in-thread.
The second reason is that it's better to ask him questions rather than just lynch him because he isn't scumhunting. Asking him questions about things will bring up more information about his alignment. For an example, see how DGB is dealing with this.


I am

not

defending him because he is a newbie, but I am saying that you should change your interrogation technique to make the results more accurate.
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That said, I find Flameaxe popping in with no content whatsoever absurdly anti-town and scummy too, meaning that I am keeping my vote on him.

More flameaxe votes gogogo

[zwetschenwasser]

The problem is that he's not making any attempt to say ANYTHING defending himself even though he already knows that a good way to defend yourself is talking about other people. It's too convenient that the only thing he can find to say is "I'm sorry for being a newbie." That said, Flameaxe also appears to be a good lynch for today.

[DrippingGoofball]

Good luck with that, I guess.

For the players that haven't seen this kind of reaction before, let me enlighten you.

That's what scum sounds like when it's caught, and gives up without a fight.

[Farkshinsoup]

Ok, I'm going to take a leap here. There are a lot of good empirical reasons to lynch PB, but my gut is telling me that his reactions are real (i hate you gut) Pear Bear comes off to me as a newb target. If I was scum I'd be all over him like white on rice.

So I'm going to

unvote: Pear Bear
Vote: Flameaxe

I could still lynch PB at deadline, but Flame is lurking and I agree with the breadcrumb.

And FoS Seraphim for that weak wagon vote that was deisgned to not look like a wagon vote.