Mini 731 Speed Dating Smalltown: Over!

[Empking]

Would it hurt anyone to claim your target.

[Tanarin]

I agree blocking the tracker was a move I may not have done. However, if Empking truly was as scummy as everyone says he was, that wasn't really an issue.

Anyway, why are people not voting emp now? Specifically as it was said one of the biggest oppositions was the fact that he was a tracker.

Korts' move was a bit dog, but there isn't much we can do about that is there? Except that the kill went through, which tells us a lot if Korts is mafia. Also, there has been no evidence of it yet, but there could be an SK. Simple fact is most smalltowns have one, however this one is different because mafia knew they could pick mafia roles at the beginning, balancing it out.

I don't see how I'd help anyone by claiming my target. Suffice to say I protected someone who I thought would be an interesting kill by the mafia. I.e. I determined the most likely and the most dangerous kill and protected against the most dangerous.

It is probably because of the fact that we don't want to speed lynch emp, and the fact that quite a few people decided his action were dumb as opposed to scummy.

Also, I don't think it was so much the fact that emp was blocked as the fact he was JAILKEEPED that some people are not happy about. We just lost our only other protect and if Emp was town and he died, that could tell us a lot about the mafia and who it may or may not be.

As for the korts thing, well you know where I stand on it.

I don't see any reason to hide who you protected last night. I think the info that would be gathered if you happen to die and flip town could be very valuable.

[farside22]

I know I"m about to get a rash of crap for even say this but I looked at a few things and seriously we need info people.
Are you listening to me. I want everyone who has a night actions to look at who has what role and think about what best will help give information to the town.
I'm not going to go into too much details. Holding back info does not help

FOS: Omen

Doing things half cocked that takes away information from the town doesn't help

Fos: Korts and OP

[Korts]

I think Kort's reasoning is valid for why he did the stop. I'm not sure why he didn't bring up the block later in the game when he wasn't satisfied with the early discussion.

Oh my god hell froze over. I agree with Emp

Ugh. Since I promised town I would use the role switch blocking power according to general consensus (unless I had good reason to go against the public opinion), I decided it would be the best to tell the town upfront about me having used the power even though there hadn't been an agreement.

Well the last person to give up info is Oman. Tell us who he protected.
Shanba are you telling me you think Korts reasons for trying to block a change is valid after he was the one to discuss agreeing with the town from the get go?

DON'T GIVE ME THAT BULLSHIT AGAIN FARSIDE YOU KNOW THE AGREEMENT WAS BEFORE THE TOWN HAD EVEN DECIDED ON LYNCH CANDIDATES

By the way I don't think there even was a majority about it. Either way it had been prior to serious and thorough discussion therefore I overruled it and came to my own conclusion.

Shanba: jus saw your post and just a MINOR nitpick. There was a kill, unless of course ThAdmiral is actually a Ken Kesey. >.>

I had it in my head that we were guaranteed a serial killer. Apologies for that, Tan.

Assumptions without basis? If there's a SK Shanba is more likely to be it than not.

I don't see what hohum has as something to worry about.

He has the only power role in the game that can stop people from getting new roles and losing their prior ones, and now that the switcher is dead he alone controls the distribution of abilities. And I'm not happy with that, at all.

Doing things half cocked that takes away information from the town doesn't help
Fos: Korts and OP

How does what I did take away information from the town, for fuckssake? And btw you're already voting me, no need to be theatrical.

[Oman]

Look at it this way, we've already found out who did die, and obvobv I didn't protect them or I would've called out the roleblockers.

So yeah, I will claim if you guys still want me to, but its not going to do anything except set up who I wanted to protect and detractable thought processes from there.

FoSing me means you think that its likely that I'm doing this for scum benefit, Farside, what would that be? Its not like its hard to make up a fake protection, which I could have done first and then just walked away.

[farside22]

Quoted from you buddy. If you can't stand by your own words then stuff it.

Okay. I think some discussion about who I should pick is reasonable. I'm comfortable with Wendy, if everyone else is. It will probably work like this anyway: whoever has Wendy shall only override rotation if the town's majority agrees to it (voting on this subject before a lynch is therefore something the town should do every day); if they use Wendy's ability without the town's permission (this will be noticed by everyone I presume) they will be subject to a lynch unless they can adequately explain their reasons.

Oman we don't know if there is supposed to be one kill or two kills. Hiding or not sharing info without reason is not helpful. To me not helpful to town is anti town.

[Korts]

Meh. I had good reasons, something you're ignoring. The focal point you chose as your case is that I didn't follow the exact wording of my promise instead of something

scummy

per se and the fact that you're pushing this bullshit is making me want to accuse you.

[farside22]

Meh. I had good reasons, something you're ignoring. The focal point you chose as your case is that I didn't follow the exact wording of my promise instead of something

scummy

per se and the fact that you're pushing this bullshit is making me want to accuse you.

It is not bull shit. Your reasoning is dumb. hohum with the power if uses it without town okay is lynched. He stops the rotation. The only reason I see for stoping rotation day 1 is more scum reason then town.
Now please explain why you think that role is too powerful for scum to have. In my book tracker or JOAT is more powerful in scum hands.

[Oman]

Anti-Town = Scum, farside?

I protected Farside actually. I figured kiling off farside would be the most dangerous course of action as town farside's death would likely spark a trail of mislynches resulting from it. o, this doesn't mean I really think farside is town, but the reward was great.

[Korts]

Now please explain why you think that role is too powerful for scum to have.

I already have. Scum having sole control of the role distributions gives them the choice of keeping beneficial roles and having town keep crappy ones.

Now explain how tracker can ever be useful in scum hands when all the role distributions are open and there is no incentive to power role-hunt.

[farside22]

Now please explain why you think that role is too powerful for scum to have.

I already have. Scum having sole control of the role distributions gives them the choice of keeping beneficial roles and having town keep crappy ones.

Now explain how tracker can ever be useful in scum hands when all the role distributions are open and there is no incentive to power role-hunt.

Lying about targets. Saying x and y did this and knowing your partner is going to be doing.

Oman: I consider anti town scummy that is just my thing.

If scum is dumb enough to hold roles (as you tried to do) they deserve to be lynched.

[farside22]

Also Oman I for one want to know everyone's action no matter how minor as it tells something later in the game.

[farside22]

Are the mason's OP and Emp even talking to each other. OP is my second suspect so any comment from OP to you Emp?

[Shanba]

The more I consider it the more I am dismayed by OP's blocking of Emp. What the hell where you thinking?

@Oman: I said I would never lynch Empking while he was the tracker. I also said I thought he was mildly scummy. hohum is scummier, overall. Also... why are you pushing an Emp wagon without voting him yourself?

I seriously dislike the way Tanarin invokes the spectres of others in his last post. His position is more valid because others agree with him?

(for bragging rights postgame I'm calling a tan/oman/hohum scumgroup here)

[farside22]

Things I will not consider for today's lynch. Lynching the doctor role without a real good reason.
What I want to see: A good case on hohum. People voting instead of pussy footing around things. Korts omgus reaction to me questioning him with a valid reason mind you. Why Emp isn't calling a korts a liar.

Shanba I completely disagree with your scum list.

[neko2086]

Shanba, OP has pretty well established that he wasn't thinking. I don't think this is just unfortunate, rather, it might be telling.

I've been thinking about this more, and it seems that both scum and town have some motivation to use one of the JOAT actions. I do think it's possible, however, that OP as scum could've been so distracted by night talk and making a decision on a NK, that he completely forgot he had a JOAT responsibility.

I think it's even more likely that he's the SK, if we have one. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we're looking for a SK, we need to look for evidence of somebody working on their own, in their own self-interest. It seems like for somebody to not have thought

at all

about their role that requires

two

decisions (who do I target and what action do I take). Scum would at least, I would think, feel a certain amount of responsibility to the scumteam to take an action with the role. I think a SK would more likely make such an oversight.

Now, if it turns out that we

don't

have a SK, I think it's only marginally more likely that OP is scum than town, but I

really

think this shouldn't be overlooked.

vote: OrangePenguin

By the way, how badly do we want to keep our masons?

[Oman]

There is no evidence of an SK.

[orangepenguin]

Shanba, OP has pretty well established that he wasn't thinking. I don't think this is just unfortunate, rather, it might be telling.

I've been thinking about this more, and it seems that both scum and town have some motivation to use one of the JOAT actions. I do think it's possible, however, that OP as scum could've been so distracted by night talk and making a decision on a NK, that he completely forgot he had a JOAT responsibility.

I think it's even more likely that he's the SK, if we have one. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we're looking for a SK, we need to look for evidence of somebody working on their own, in their own self-interest. It seems like for somebody to not have thought

at all

about their role that requires

two

decisions (who do I target and what action do I take). Scum would at least, I would think, feel a certain amount of responsibility to the scumteam to take an action with the role. I think a SK would more likely make such an oversight.

Now, if it turns out that we

don't

have a SK, I think it's only marginally more likely that OP is scum than town, but I

really

think this shouldn't be overlooked.

vote: OrangePenguin

By the way, how badly do we want to keep our masons?

To be completely honest, I haven't really been attached with the game in the first place, even during the day. One more prod, and I'm gone. My activity hasn't been the greatest either. But, I have been trying to keep up and post when necessary. It wasn't that I had two decisions, like you speculate, but that it wasn't at the top of my priorities. I didn't really think about it, but figured I'd target Empking, since he was my prime target the day before. I didn't understand what the concept of Bus Drive, Watching seemed kind of pointless at the time, and JK and Roleblock both did the same thing, so I figured I'd Jail keep Empking, so he couldn't do anything at all during the night. I don't really see how JailKeeping Emp was a big problem. Most of the other town seemed to agree with me that he was scum, but didn't want to lynch him becuase of his role. Well, Empking is a mason, too, you know.

All "we" (mostly Emp) have talked about was why I jailblocked him. I explained why, like I did in the thread, but he keeps on pressing about it. So I haven't really bothered to speak much more to him, because if he really cares about the issue, he can ask aloud in the thread. Meh.

[orangepenguin]

I think the first part might answer your ealier question, neko, but if it didn't suit you enough, please point out what I need to elaborate on.

I find it curious that neko is speculating that I am a SK. Like Oman just pointed out, there is no evidence of a SK. Unless..neko knows something we do not?

[neko2086]

There were two decisions as JOAT- Who to target, and which ability to use. You thought about neither during the day, apparently.

And why does it seem so hard to understand that jailkeeping and roleblocking are

not

the same thing? Jailkeeping also involves a protection. If you thought he was scum, protecting him makes absolutely no sense (as town).

[neko2086]

I find it curious that neko is speculating that I am a SK. Like Oman just pointed out, there is no evidence of a SK. Unless..neko knows something we do not?

I am not the first to make such a speculation. I don't like this attempt to deflect attention. I also don't like your ignoring your mason partner, or your general attitude about this game.

[Shanba]

The problem I have with roleblocking empking is this:

"Most of the other town seemed to agree with me that he was scum, but didn't want to lynch him becuase of his role."

if you roleblock him, well... doesn't that negate the point of his role anyway? :S

[Oman]

Actually shanba I didn't want to not lynch him so that

he

could use the role but so that someone else could on a day that wasn't trackerday.

[Shanba]

Actually shanba I didn't want to not lynch him so that

he

could use the role but so that someone else could on a day that wasn't trackerday.

Anyone using the role is better than no one using the role! Hence why I don't want the role dead!

unvote

I think I may need to recalibrate my suspect list.

[Tanarin]

The problem I have with roleblocking empking is this:

"Most of the other town seemed to agree with me that he was scum, but didn't want to lynch him becuase of his role."

if you roleblock him, well... doesn't that negate the point of his role anyway? :S

Shanba, I don't think most of the to thought emp was scum. I think most of the town thought he was being stupid town. Saying that I can see the logic in a regular roleblock from those who did think that he was scum. While it is indeed not good that he was blocked, it is better than giving him a free pass and possibly letting a potential scum emp make the kill.