[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[Xylthixlm]

Nokill 10

6 townies
1 doctor
1 roleblocker
2 mafia

Day start, mafia must kill every night.

[Adel]

Three Blind Cops

3 mafia role blockers
5 cops
1 doctor

night start


have fun with hypocop.


edit: changed name from "3 mafia roleblockers" to "Three Blind Cops"

[Xylthixlm]

3 mafia role blockers

3 mafia role blockers
5 cops
1 doctor

night start


have fun with hypocop.

Hmm. Night 0: A cop dies, three others are blocked. One gets a result.
Day 1: Cop with result claims. Doc claims, since the mafia know who he is anyways (he wasn't blocked and doesn't have a result). No lynch.
Night 1: A cop dies, the rest are blocked.
Day 2: It's now lylo (3 vs 4) with one doc and one sane cop result. Town is screwed.

[Adel]

Day 1: Cop with result claims. Doc claims, since the mafia know who he is anyways (he wasn't blocked and doesn't have a result).

I've located the source of your error. You are welcome.

[Xylthixlm]

Hypocop just makes

all

the cop results useless.

[Adel]

assuming that the doctor doesn't block the N0 kill:

• N0:
  • nk:
    
    5/6 chance of cop death
    • RB:
      
      2/5 chance of 3 cops RB'd -- 1 unblocked investigation
      3/5 chance of 2 cops and 1 doc RB'd -- 2 unblocked investigations
    1/6 chance of doc death -- 2 unblocked investigations
    
    
    Result:
    2/3 chance of 2 unblocked cop investigations, 1/3 chance of 1 unblocked investigation

So there are three possible game states for day 1:

a: 1/6 chance of a dead doc, two unblocked cop investigations (each with 1/3 chance of catching scum)
b: 2/6 chance of living doc and 1 unblocked investigation
c: 3/6 chance of living doc and 2 unblocked investigations

Town is screwed.

are you still sure that this is broken for scum Xyl?

[Lord Gurgi]

Dun like Ack! Hans! Run!

Not sure what the point of the setup is. Also, I don't like roles that require no skill, and Hans is the epitome of such a role. I reckon this comes from differences in our view of the doctor, though.

Bugs Bunny is neat, and I quite like it, but I'd point out that town need two successful protections in order to get an extra day, which is unlikely.

Also, I don't see why no one seconded my nom for friends and enemies. That's such an awesome setup.

Ooo, what if it was:
2 Mafia
1 Hans
1 Hans
5 Townies

Suspense!

[Adel]

The last run of Friends of Enemies
3 Mafia Goons
3 Masons
6 Townies

how about....

Friends and Enemies and Hans

3 Mafia Goons
3 Masons
1 Hans
5 townies

Daystart (masons and mafia can talk during the confirmation stage)

[Artem]

what about a mafia power that enables them to control the readout of one players investigation. I know that's not normal but how would that effect the set up?

I think at this point it's not even dethy anymore, you couldn't rely on investigations at all, so it would essentially turn into mountainous.

I'm with Charter on this one. There's already an element of uncertain information introduced through the sanities. Allowing mafia to flip investigations will only result in messy logic with tons of "if..." statements everywhere.

The roleblocker, on the other hand, introduces the element of missing information in addition to the untrusted sanity information. The town logic is still in the spirit of Dethy, but with fewer facts and a big WIFOM looming over the blocked target.

From what I understand, the traditional Dethy allows for easy clearing of certain players, which is what puts the mafia at a disadvantage. If the town had fewer facts to work with, clearing townies will be more difficult and players will have to rely on their "mafia" skills in addition to pure logic.

[Lord Gurgi]

I like it.

[Xylthixlm]

assuming that the doctor doesn't block the N0 kill:

• N0:
  • nk:
    
    5/6 chance of cop death
    • RB:
      
      2/5 chance of 3 cops RB'd -- 1 unblocked investigation
      3/5 chance of 2 cops and 1 doc RB'd -- 2 unblocked investigations
    1/6 chance of doc death -- 2 unblocked investigations
    
    
    Result:
    2/3 chance of 2 unblocked cop investigations, 1/3 chance of 1 unblocked investigation

So there are three possible game states for day 1:

a: 1/6 chance of a dead doc, two unblocked cop investigations (each with 1/3 chance of catching scum)
b: 2/6 chance of living doc and 1 unblocked investigation
c: 3/6 chance of living doc and 2 unblocked investigations

Town is screwed.

are you still sure that this is broken for scum Xyl?

A 1 in 3 chance of the game being nearly unwinnable for town before day 1 starts is too high.

[Adel]

how is it "nearly unwinnable"? even in that case there is a 1/3 chance of the investigation netting a guilty. So long as they do not massclaim (no-lynch I think would be best) then the town has a reasonable chance of winning ( >1/3 chance) for the worse of the three possible states.

[iamausername]

How about this?
2 Mafia Goons
1 Even Night Cop
1 Odd Night Doctor
5 Vanilla Townies
Day Start

This setup needs a name.

Also, is it balanced?

Alternating C9

AC9/DC9.

[shaft.ed]

Dun like Ack! Hans! Run!

Not sure what the point of the setup is. Also, I don't like roles that require no skill, and Hans is the epitome of such a role. I reckon this comes from differences in our view of the doctor, though.

Bugs Bunny is neat, and I quite like it, but I'd point out that town need two successful protections in order to get an extra day, which is unlikely.

Also, I don't see why no one seconded my nom for friends and enemies. That's such an awesome setup.

Ooo, what if it was:
2 Mafia
1 Hans
1 Hans
5 Townies

Suspense!

I like this better, but two Hans (hansi?) are unbalanced IMO.

[Lord Gurgi]

Dun like Ack! Hans! Run!

Not sure what the point of the setup is. Also, I don't like roles that require no skill, and Hans is the epitome of such a role. I reckon this comes from differences in our view of the doctor, though.

Bugs Bunny is neat, and I quite like it, but I'd point out that town need two successful protections in order to get an extra day, which is unlikely.

Also, I don't see why no one seconded my nom for friends and enemies. That's such an awesome setup.

Ooo, what if it was:
2 Mafia
1 Hans
1 Hans
5 Townies

Suspense!

I like this better, but two Hans (hansi?) are unbalanced IMO.

How so?

[Korts]

How about this?
2 Mafia Goons
1 Even Night Cop
1 Odd Night Doctor
5 Vanilla Townies
Day Start

This setup needs a name.

Also, is it balanced?

Alternating C9

AC9/DC9.

Hahaha

I think it's worth a run.

nominate AC9/DC9

[Alduskkel]

Wait, no one has said anything about whether it is balanced or not!

Also, I prefer

Alternating C9

.

[Cyberbob]

Also, I prefer

Alternating C9

.

You suck.

AC9/DC9

ftw.

[Alduskkel]

It's my setup! I don't even 'get' AC9/DC9.

[Cyberbob]

I don't even 'get' AC9/DC9.

No way.

[Alduskkel]

Because Mafia is soooo related to some band!

[Cyberbob]

some band!

Psst... your age is showing.

also hurf durf superiority complex

[Alduskkel]

[Nuwen]

Psst... your age is showing.

I'll be the first to point out that you weren't even alive when Rudd went AWOL.

AC9/DC9 wins.

[Cyberbob]

I'll be the first to point out that you weren't even alive when Rudd went AWOL.

You missed the point of my comment entirely; it relates to a conversation between Alduskkel and I in another thread.