It was in response to that question, yes, but in that very post right after she lists the percentages she says "for likely to be scum." That was her opinion on percent likelihood to be scum, and what sparked the question isn't really relevant in terms of the answer. To my knowledge, Zilla has never argued anything regarding the nested association you speak of. That may be the way you interpreted, but it is not an answer I recall her ever giving.GIEFF wrote:I can't find it now, Goat. I'm pretty sure she said something about her 20%-Goat thing being in response to this post by me. I dug through her mega-post, but I can't find it. I'm sure I saw it somewhere, though.
And reading back through her Goat 20% post, I can believe that it was in response to my question about a Goat-mykonian-Panzer scumtriplet.
Ultimately, the point you're getting at was that she has addressed some of my concerns. I agree with what you are saying, although there is a bit of a disconnect in terms of what I mean vs. what you do. The point I was making was more like her means of addressing them is frequently via misrepresentation, or deflection, or dismissal. The disconnect lies in that I don't really consider those valid responses. I guess an analogy would be if I were a reporter and I asked her a tough question. She fielded the question, but her response didn't actually answer the question.
Mykonian I believe to be town. I disagree with a lot of what he says, but I'm not really picking up on any hidden motives behind his play. I would be suspicious, for instance, if he was inconsistent in applying his reasoning, but he appears to fairly consistently be against any case that is based around inconsistencies or lying. I also view him as somewhat more likely to be town if Zilla is scum.GIEFF wrote:Goat, how do you feel about Mykonian and Panzer? Do you find them as scummy as I do? More or less scummy than B_B? More or less scummy than each other?
Panzer's recent play has struck me as pro-town, actually, enough to the point where I no longer really believe him to be a Zilla scum buddy. I had him paired as a scum buddy to Zilla, based entirely on her stances. I was basing that off of how Zilla was always attacking either me or Mykonian, frequently using the reasoning of us defending Panzer, but yet she was never actually attacking Panzer. If she perceives defense of Panzer to be scummy, then it stands to reason she feels Panzer himself is scummy. Why then was she always attacking us, but not him? Then there was her "I can't believe how bad Panzer is lurking" statement right as she changed her vote to BB in post 544. It seemed extremely insincere. However, his own play doesn't make a whole lot of sense if he is a scumbuddy to Zilla. Refusing to play the game unless she claims is not typical scum buddy play, as in that case he would be interested in moving away from Zilla if possible.
Nothing about BB's play has struck me as scummy since he admitted he was lying about his reasoning for voting Panzer. I wouldn't argue he's been terribly pro-town either, though. He has at least remained consistent. I think the original points are still valid against him, but I have no new suspicions. If Zilla is scum, then he is very likely town.
Do I find them as scummy as you do: No.
More or less scummy than BB: Less, for now. If Zilla is scum, then more.
More or less scummy than each other: I view Mykonian as slightly more pro-town than Panzer, though they are close for now (roughly middle of the pack).
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Right now, Zilla is overwhelmingly my top choice for scum. I do not want to lynch anyone else, nor do I support the lynch of anyone except Zilla. I'm going to continue to fight to make this lynch happen. She is dishonest, inconsistent, slippery, manipulative and I don't see how she could possibly be town. Her suspicions are not sincere, they are fabrications for the purpose of appearing pro-town, not for the purpose of lynching scum. I have given plenty of reasons why this is the case.
All of my suspicions are based around the idea that Zilla is scum. Based on that idea, BB is town. Panzer and Mykonian are town. Springlullaby is town. You are probably town. Militant is probably town. Ting and Subgenius are 50/50. Dourgrim is probably scum. Qwints is probably scum.
I'd argue a Dour/Zilla/Qwints scum team, with a side of Ting/Subgenius possible but less likely. It all starts with Zilla, though. The rest of my suspicions are based on her flip (which is highly likely to be scum), and are not meaningful until we know that information.