Medieval Mafia - Game Over

[hasdgfas]

hasdgfas: I'm not claiming my meta as a defense, I'm just trying to give Tar realistic expectations about what he'll find when he does his analysis.

I'm not talking about telling Tar what to look for on you, I'm talking about the interactions with Kore, where people were claiming you were anti-town for going after her and your reaction was, as far as I can recall, "I always do this."

[Xylthixlm]

hasdgfas: I'm not claiming my meta as a defense, I'm just trying to give Tar realistic expectations about what he'll find when he does his analysis.

I'm not talking about telling Tar what to look for on you, I'm talking about the interactions with Kore, where people were claiming you were anti-town for going after her and your reaction was, as far as I can recall, "I always do this."

No. My reaction was "If you're giving her a pass because she always does this, you should give me a pass because I always do this".

You shouldn't give either of us a pass, but if free passes are being given out I'll take one.

[sam.samhorn]

@sam.samhorn - Do you often refuse to read others posts? What would you do in an endgame situation with DGB and Xyl?

yes, and I would read them

[sam.samhorn]

first off

unvote

I want a clean slate as I read what's happened since Thursday.


Post 764 - kore: what's wrong with a case "out of thin air"? I realized I had been getting bad vibes from kmd all game, and decided to go look at him a bit closer.
Post 771 - qwints: wait, so what? That's a horrible reason for a softclaim, especially when it does the exact opposite thing that you're trying to do.
Post 774 - Yos: I agree with Yosarian2.
Post 781 - DGB: So one post you like is better than everything else he's done?
Post 788 - Caboose: Why isn't it scummy?
Post 795 - Jebus: *twitch*
Post 800 - scot: stark's not posting at all. How would he be able to jump from one popular wagon to another?
Post 809 - Xyl: Why is this a higher priority than qwints, who actually is being scummy?
Post 826 - Xyl: I really don't like this post by Xyl, because he's blaming someone else for something that's completely his fault.
Post 846 - camn: Got any reasons for that or just throwing it out there?
Post 869 - tajo: Thanks for noticing I was V/LA, tajo, it's not like I was lurking. I didn't post

anywhere

from Thursday-Tuesday. Also, if he is scum, we shouldn't let qwints survive to following days.
Post 882 - tajo: It seems to me like this is saying that you know qwints is town. Why is that? Would you rather lynch someone who's not going to be useful in the future or someone who will actually do stuff that we can find out if they're scum later?
Post 901 - kmd: Hmm, I dislike the "no one can look at your voting records" argument. I find looking at "voting records" is talked about as being a better idea than it actually is. Looking at everything else is usually smarter, with looking at vote

context

being the best idea.
Post 912 - qwints: this doesn't say anything. Can you actually say something in this game?
Post 917 - sam: Saying that you're not going to read Xyl's posts is anti-town. What if you're in endgame with him and one other person?
Post 926 - sam: Not reading a certain person's posts is really anti-town.
Post 943 - Xyl: Why? what's

wrong

right with qwints?
Post 963 - farside: Is that really all you have to say?
Post 973 - qwints: How have you not been lynched yet?
Post 984 - Xyl: This seems like a possible lead-in to an attack on Yos. Xyl, why'd you feel it necessary to make this comment?
Post 988 - kmd: What is interesting about this? This seems to be yet another inane comment that you're making too many of in this whole game.'
Post 1004 - Xyl: Why? What has he done to make you think that?
Post 1006 - tajo: Dang it tajo, I was V/LA. Did you not catch that when multiple people said it?
Post 1010 - Xyl: What evidence against him was weak? Why is a fast wagon a sign of the wagoned player being town as opposed to pretty obvious scum?
Post 1019 - sam: A) I've been V/LA, B) I'm not scum, C) the rest of the town finds other people scummier
Post 1022 - Xyl: I'm not really a big fan of pulling out your own meta as a defense. meta should be a defense looked at by others to try to figure out if you're scum or town.
Post 1027 - Rogueben: I think qwints has the most value at this point. Jebus has been replaced, so I'm giving the replacement time to let me get a good read on him.

conclusions:
farside is way too quiet this game. I've never seen her this quiet. Feels off to me.
I don't like Xyl/Kore claming their own meta as their defense, although Kore feels better to me as she was attempting to explain why she uses her meta, but I don't remember seeing too much from Xyl besides "I always do this, so it's not scummy". If I'm missing something though, feel free to point it out. Not to mention that he tried to blame the derailing of the qwints wagon on Kore when nobody else even cared and he was the only one to unvote qwints because of it.

FoS: Xyl

I'm not a fan of tajo trying to build my wagon while I was V/LA, but I can somewhat understand it.
Looking back at kmd's case after some time away from the game, it's not as bad as I originally thought, but it was still a bit difficult to find the points.
qwints really needs to die. Not going to vote immediately as A) I want a votecount to see what it looks like and B) I want people to actually read this before night.

Look at this scummy post.

[DrippingGoofball]

Look at this scummy post.

ORLY

[camn]

Post 846 - camn: Got any reasons for that or just throwing it out there?

Just throwing it out there.


In context.. it meant that I would rather lynch Scot than Koje.
Which is still true. Though, for clarity, I don't want to lynch either. But if I had to choose...

[hasdgfas]

Look at this scummy post.

so why is it scummy?

[Rogueben]

I'm not liking Rogueben's asking of questions instead of stating his own opinions. Also, the questions are a bit off and not what I'd called 'pointed' or 'particularly relevant.' The whole exercise feels like fake scumhunting and giving the appearance of participation, cheating off other players while holding his own cards close to his chest.

I'm not holding the cards to my chest permanently, I will give my general views about the game when I've got the majority of the answers (and a little more time). I will address the rest of this post in that post as well.

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote Count:

9 to lynch

qwints: 5 (Kmd4390, Yosarian2, crywolf20084, camn, DrippingGoofball)
hasdgfas: 4 (scotmany12, populartajo, sam.samhorn, qwints)
Tarhalindur: 2 (Xylthixlm, farside22)
stark: 2 (Caboose, Tarhalindur)

Not Voting: 5 (stark, Korejora, Tarhalindur, Rogueben, hasdgfas)

Keep in mind everybody, given the deadline rules the deadline for day one is Tuesday, March 3rd, and will fall at 10 PM Eastern.

[OhGodMyLife]

Prodding stark and qwints.

[camn]

3 days to deadline. Nobody has enough votes for a deadline lynch. I will consider anyone not voting at deadline to be voting "no lynch".

Advance warning: I will consider anyone not voting one of the top three candidates at deadline to be voting "no lynch", and demand explanations accordingly.

[populartajo]

THE COW NEEDS TO DIE!!!
GG.

[hasdgfas]

ok, seeing the vote count, I will

vote: qwints

[qwints]

Acknowliding prod. I don't have much of an opinion at this point, but it's obvious cow is doing whatever he can to stay alive.

[hasdgfas]

Acknowliding prod. I don't have much of an opinion at this point, but it's obvious cow is doing whatever he can to stay alive.

Right, because I didn't express suspicion of you recently

[crywolf20084]

Acknowliding prod. I don't have much of an opinion at this point, but it's obvious cow is doing whatever he can to stay alive.

this is useless post number 18, out of the fourty pages of play.

....

[populartajo]

Being useless isnt a scumtell. Specially with someone like qwints.

[populartajo]

ok, seeing the vote count, I will

vote: qwints

Assume for a minute qwints is town. What do you think would be his natural reaction to this vote?

[hasdgfas]

ok, seeing the vote count, I will

vote: qwints

Assume for a minute qwints is town. What do you think would be his natural reaction to this vote?

an attempt to defend himself from what the points I made against him in my catch-up post.

[scotmany12]

Being useless isnt a scumtell. Specially with someone like qwints.

Why is qwints allowed to be useless?

[populartajo]

Because the objective of this game is to catch scum not catch useless players.

[hasdgfas]

Because the objective of this game is to catch scum not catch useless players.

but useless players can still be scum and are liabilities when we get late in the game because they won't help us catch scum.

[Yosarian2]

Being useless isnt a scumtell. Specially with someone like qwints.

How could "player X does not seem interested in helping the town" possibly not be a sign that perhaps that player dosn't have a pro-town alignment?

It's not a 100% guarenteed scumtell, of course, nothing is, but it definatly is a scumtell.

[scotmany12]

Because the objective of this game is to catch scum not catch useless players.

And yet you were seemingly fine for when people were wagoning Jebus. Infact, you voted for him.

Unvote Vote Jebus.

So what, when Jebus was useless it was scummy? But it's not scummy when qwints is useless?

[populartajo]

If there werent any better lynches, yes I would lynch qwints, but this is not the case.
If we were measuring scumminess for being useful, then farside, stark and others "not helping" would also need to be lynched and be scum all. Qwints lynch isnt optymal. Period.