Panzer strikes me as protown all the way up through post 17; his analysis is the valid part of the SK argument (which he later called me scummy for "double speak" about, though it was my fault for not being clear).
Post 17, though, contains the "I didn't realize it was a joke" despite all his previous posts indicating that he knew it was a joke.
This bugs me:
All I can do is attempt to scumhunt my way out of this whole I accidently put my self into.
"attempt to scumhunt" is kind of a strange phrase to use here, and this entire phrase is kind of strange. It's possible that he's only "attempting" to scumhunt to put on a show, and the notion that his only option is to ignore the actual cause of the hole and instead try to scumhunt to provide an image of towniness seems like an option only available to scum.
This post seems dodgy, how he is suddenly critical of Spring picking stances. THIS is what deflection is, I have no idea what operative definition Goat's been using, but this is where Panzer goes "That's nonsense... and hey, look over here!"
There's an argument on this phrase:
Panzer wrote: I don't know if she isn't reading or truly picking on townies
I don't see this as a slip at all, but his reaction to it is kinda strange. He says that he didn't want to type out Dejkha's name. I don't get that feeling at all; he's trying to make a point that SL might either not be reading, or she might be mafia looking for easy town targets. Using Dejkha there renders his accusation somewhat null. His reaction, saying that it wasn't a slip, could be mafia paranoid that they did actually commit a slip and trying to smother the fire before it burns out of control, despite not actually having slipped in the first place.
Panzer wrote:Also, you believe I truly wanted to lynch Myko, when clearly in my exchange with him i told him slips were minor tells and simply told him I'd just be keeping my eye on him. Regardless of the debacle afterward, you're blowing an IGMEOY out of purportion in a way that is leading me to believe you are rolefishing scum. FoS:Gieff
This also bugs me; apparently his vote on Mykonian wasn't serious, despite earlier claims that it was. If he was originally serious, this could be a scummy retraction when he sees that his push isn't going anywhere. If he wasn't serious, he and Mykonian could be scum buddies.
Panzer wrote:Now on to 240, specifically the scum slip part of Goatrevolt's posted. I felt it was huge in terms of scum slips. It was one that slapped me across the face. It has nothing to do with whether or not scum slips are a big or little scum tell. In regards to "I don't see how a scum slip is a small thing" I believe I posted that page 2. Page 2, a scum slip IS a big deal. Page 9-10, less so. The reason scum slips are a weak tell is actually being largely displayed in this thread. First of, you can read a post several different ways. Second, the context of the post can change from your first look and your second look. Third, it could largely be semantics issues in which I think a lot of my "slips" That GIEFF has pointed out I believe are.
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Panzer no longer buys slips, he says that Mykonian's slip is actually valid because it is early in the game, but later, he says that he doesn't see Mykonian as scummy, and he also says that his vote on Mykonian was not serious.
Wow, as soon as I replace in, he drops in scumhunting, activity, and accountability. Half of his posts are prior to my replacement.
Here he says he can't see Mykonian is scummy.
Yes GIEFF because I don't see how Mykonian is scummy. Also I don't understand why you do.
This lends credence to the idea that he and Mykonian were partners, and his initial vote on him was not serious.
Here he outlines his case on me, based on either misunderstanding or misrepresentation. If you read my quotes without his comments, they should make sense. I say that I acknowledge that the first person to mention a serial killer in a closed game on day 1 might be the serial killer, and, because it's a valid point, I use it in my case. He says it's scummy to say that the argument has gotten out of hand, even though it's base tenet is valid, and use the perfectly valid part of the argument as a point. I dislike it.
Panzerjager wrote:@Dour, Yes I understand, I don't agree, but It's a difference of opinion. I believe I've been actively contributing to this game. I have raised some valid and even original at the time points as of late. I don't find anything wrong with my one liners.
Haranguing me over using the SK thing in my argument is the only thing he brought up for a while, it's easy to see when you read him in isolation.
In fact, he says nothing of interest other than demands for me to claim and asserting that I'm "obviously scum" (parroting Goat) the whole time, until his latest post.
Panzerjager wrote:@Gieff: You completely spin doctored those post. READ THE FUCKING POST. This right here is why I quit reading large post because it's people just grasping and we need this day to end.
I told you I was posting WHILE I was catching up on the thread. I was posting intial reactions. B_B was Incredibly scummy, but then Zilla replaced in. Also, in those 6 minutes(in between my "Contradictions") Zilla had made the post in question. With each new post. Each post adds to the thread. Hers was a huge scumtell and I had already sadi that those two were scummy. Please quit spin doctoring post, especially ones from 20 pages ago.
Huge FoS:GIEFF
Not only did he miss GIEFF's explanation, he says my thing was a scumtell when I've already explained my reasons (many times). I think it's just a chainsaw defense of mykonian at this point.
If nobody is willing to lynch Mykonian (still preferable to panzer),
unvote: Mykonian
Vote: Panzer
His late play has been active lurking, all of his opinions past "Zilla using the SK argument in her case on Mykonian is scummy" have just been echoes of either Goat or Dourgrm, there's the inherent contradiction over whether his Mykonian vote was serious or not, and whether he actually thought Mykonian was joking or not, his suspicion on Mykonian has evaporated for no apparent reason, he fluxuates between the leading bandwagons with no stated reasons, instead referring to his old case from PAGES TEN TO TWELVE.
Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele
