Okay, I skimmed through till the end. I'm really sorry, but I'm pressed for time now. I'll come back and reread the past few pages in detail later as well as post my thoughts on everyone.
I'll answer the pending questions for now:
gieff wrote:ting wrote:
gieff wrote:I did not want her to martyr herself. I was demonstrating that what she said was not true.
Are you sure about that?
gieff wrote:If you're townie, and you really think that you've caught two or three scum, then please ask people to lynch you. Be a martyr. If I was confident that my death would catch two or three scum, I wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice myself.
Yes, I am sure. Note the use of the word IF. It is a conditional command, meant to demonstrate that the conditional (Zilla is a townie, sure she has caught two or three scum) is NOT correct. That was my point.
You're missing mine. Or avoiding it.
gieff wrote:It is a conditional command,
meant to demonstrate that the conditional (Zilla is a townie, sure she has caught two or three scum) is NOT correct.
That was my point.
I take issue with the bold because:
Your condition for zilla being town is - she martyrs herself. Your condition for her proving she's town is her killing herself. Again:
Note the 2nd paragraph where I asked her a question,
giving her a choice between martyring herself or admitting she is not as confident about having caught scum as she claimed.
She did not answer.
In case I wasn't clear before what my problem with this is, your choices are basically:
1. Kill yourself.
2. Admit your cases are crap.
I've mentioned multiple times why I don't like this:
1. Those are horrible choices.
2. One of the choices (kill yourself) wouldn't prove anything other than zilla is a moron who killed herself. Her proving that she's town(by dying) would no way validate her cases.
In short again, since I'm annoyed at repeating myself multiple times:
1. Telling someone, 'to prove you're town - kill yourself' is scummy.
2. [1] is pointless. Proving you're town doesn't prove your cases are right.
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gieff wrote:Maybe an unvote is in order? People see your vote on Panzer as legitimate, and are judging his wagon in that light, not realizing you haven't changed it since post 38. Or have you since decided that your vote has merit, and you like it on Panzer?
What page are you on now?
I've read everything properly till page 36. Skimmed till 40. If the vote bothers you, then yes, I'll
unvote.
It didn't seem like panzer would get lynched soon, I saw no harm in leaving it on him.
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goat wrote:I'm a bit iffy on your position on Zilla. Here you say she hasn't struck you as extremely scummy, but earlier, you say she's not on your "most certainly town" list. What does that exactly mean?
Exactly what it sounds like. She doesn't strike me as extremely town, or extremely scum.
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top 3:
I need a reread of militant, sub and qwints before I commit to a top 3. I can't recall their positions off the top of my head.
Of the people I feel I have a relatively good read on: gieff, SL, panzer.