Mini 738: The Town of Merrin - Game Over

[GIEFF]

You DID assume he was cop. You referred to him as a PR, and immediately started looking for the next lynch-target.

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More stuff before twilight hits to refer back to in case I get whacked:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 29#1529029

mykonian says BB is scum for focusing on me, even though Panzer made it clear I didn't lie. Yet mykonian has done the exact same thing.


http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53#1522453
A summary of mykonian's inconsistencies regarding his cases on me.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 50#1521650
More stuff about mykonian.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 83#1514183
Me countering the case that mykonian finally made after I repeatedly demanded he make one if he was going to continue attacking me. He soon after decided I wasn't really all that scummy, but said it was only because Panzer showed my case to be more valid than he thought. Even though Panzer had already done this. And even though that shouldn't be enough to go from attacking someone for 30 pages to assuming they must be done.


mykonian kept pushing for Zilla to claim, even when she was down to L-4, and even though he later claimed he didn't want to lynch her.


mykonian called Zilla a townie on three separate occasions.

[mykonian]

GIEFF, I'm a bit sick of all the "slips" you have found. Now you have a new one. Now I suddenly know panzer is a cop. Just because I don't want to lynch an un-cc cop now.

congratulations.

You simply try to find something scummy in my way of posting, and put it all together to make a case, none of these points above is actually a major, or even certain scummy thing. It is just a load of debatable weak scumtells. I don't know why you are so happy with it, but again and again your cases look like this, and always you have caught "scum".

[mykonian]

ok, maybe I'm going to try to say something less aggressive, and more constructive on that tomorrow. Because I have the feeling that people are not going to check if those slips actually make sense, and while the "towny" slip was already found doubtful, GIEFF brings it as evidence again. It is even one of his more important sentences, a sort of conclusion.

[GIEFF]

congratulations.

Thanks!

[Zilla]

Congratulations on page 50 on day 1.

Do we have time for a mykonian wagon?

[GIEFF]

Congratulations on page 50 on day 1.

Do we have time for a mykonian wagon? :P

Technically, it's still less than 50 pages.

We don't have time OR support for a mykonian wagon.

[springlullaby]

Vote: BB

For previously cited reason + I do not like the dragging with the refusal to claim.

[springlullaby]

I'm also open to lynch any of the lurker previously cited.

[GIEFF]

I am conflicted here; qwints' claim is more believable to me than Panzer's, but I know that it could very well be WIFOM, and I don't want to have to force a 3rd person to claim, especially just 2 days before the deadline. I think qwints has to be the lynch, SL.

[mykonian]

ok, I had a busy day, so the great defense won't come here. I'm going to try though. Bolded is mine.

You DID assume he was cop. You referred to him as a PR, and immediately started looking for the next lynch-target.

I don't even want to try to lynch a un-cc'ed cop day one. We got little information (day ones are not known for their scumlynches), and it is hard to think of a stronger Pr then the cop. It is just not done: It is bad play, and I think I explained in multiple posts, why I didn't want this: now you picked something out of it, and call it a slip, while I think everyone here got what I was trying to say

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More stuff before twilight hits to refer back to in case I get whacked:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 29#1529029

mykonian says BB is scum for focusing on me, even though Panzer made it clear I didn't lie. Yet mykonian has done the exact same thing.

And I'm scummy for it, it was no correct play. See next point

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 83#1514183
Me countering the case that mykonian finally made after I repeatedly demanded he make one if he was going to continue attacking me. He soon after decided I wasn't really all that scummy, but said it was only because Panzer showed my case to be more valid than he thought. Even though Panzer had already done this. And even though that shouldn't be enough to go from attacking someone for 30 pages to assuming they must be done.

In my defense, Sensfans recent post about this, came with exactly the same explanation as I did, and said it was obvious. I thought you were twisting his words. I found it very hard to understand that Panzer actually meant it that way.

mykonian kept pushing for Zilla to claim, even when she was down to L-4, and even though he later claimed he didn't want to lynch her.

this has been talked over, again and again. Dourgrim posted then there were enough people for a Zilla lynch, and I reacted on that by asking for a claim, it was the logical play. I do agree that I should look better at the votecounts, and I should check dourgrims posts better.

mykonian called Zilla a townie on three separate occasions.

not again. The first time it could be a slip, but then I said it, based on the assumption that someone else was scum (who I was accusing). After that, the same reasoning counts mostly in my defence, and your slip theory doesn't work anymore. Like I would "slip" after you called me two times on it... It makes no sense GIEFF. I could just as easily say that as scum could do it.

I hope this is clear enough. I didn't include two links, as I can't click them when I was typing, and I didn't know what it was about. I think the only thing you have against me is that I tunneled on you, and I'm sorry for that.

[GIEFF]

It was never about you wanting to lynch an un-cc'd cop. It was about you assuming immediately he was the legitimate cop, and trying to cut off any discussion about the potential for him to be scum. Nobody is arguing we lynch Panzer today.

The abrupt halt to the tunneling is a lot scummier than the tunneling itself was.

Your "too scummy" defense doesn't work. You called Zilla a townie three times. Even if you were town, you would stop doing it after I called you on it, for the exact same reasons you would stop doing it as scum, i.e. it looks scummy.


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The fact that qwints doesn't want to say anything to help us out makes me more confident he is scum.

[GIEFF]

Haha, the mod is mocking us in the thread title. Poor kloud.

[mykonian]

It was never about you wanting to lynch an un-cc'd cop. It was about you assuming immediately he was the legitimate cop, and trying to cut off any discussion about the potential for him to be scum. Nobody is arguing we lynch Panzer today.

No, you are, and I want to cut it off, as it is wasted energy. I've seen several posts from you and Goat, that were about how scummy Panzer was: would you please look at the people that are lynchable?

The abrupt halt to the tunneling is a lot scummier than the tunneling itself was.

Be happy it stopped. I think I needed something as direct as that post from Panzer.

Your "too scummy" defense doesn't work. You called Zilla a townie three times. Even if you were town, you would stop doing it after I called you on it, for the exact same reasons you would stop doing it as scum, i.e. it looks scummy.

since when is, while you are assuming someone is scum, calling someone else a towny a scum thing to do? It is simply what logically follows from your assumption. It is a way of speaking, and it is not scummy. You just want to see something scummy in it. Maybe it helps if you look at it and ask yourself if town could say it. You are now only trying to find me as scum.

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The fact that qwints doesn't want to say anything to help us out makes me more confident he is scum.

[mykonian]

Haha, the mod is mocking us in the thread title. Poor kloud.

"Day one starts", while on page 50, was also not such a strong title

[Zilla]

Perhaps it's a word of caution to whoever is looking to replace Militant.

[Beyond_Birthday]

Irrelevant. Very relevant is why I am being voted by Spring for a "refusal to claim." Weak since I'm not the one about to be lynched. If I were, I would claim.

[mykonian]

you were for quite some time...

[kloud1516]

Bump.

Just a reminder: deadline is TOMORROW. *insert chaotic background noise*

[qwints]

Since deadline is approaching and BB is more likely to be scum than I am:

vote: BB[/unvote]

[mykonian]

Since deadline is approaching and BB is more likely to be scum than I am:

vote: BB[/unvote]

why is that? and is it such a bad plan to lynch you? You are not that protown either, you basically do nothing.

[GIEFF]

Since deadline is approaching and BB is more likely to be scum than I am:

vote: BB[/unvote]

This is in no way helpful to the town. I've asked you to make some cases or analysis or anything you can give us to look back on tomorrow when your alignment is known, but you've refused to do so.


I think we should just hammer qwints and end the day.

[mykonian]

I agree:

unvote vote Qwints

[Beyond_Birthday]

I agree. This is L-1 now, correct?

[GIEFF]

That's a hammer, I think.

[Beyond_Birthday]

We are arguing ourselves in circles. We need to lynch somebody already. 35 pages in a mini is not good for town. It's not. There is nothing good about this.

I figure this is a good time for me to claim. My role is "3-year-old." I am afraid of the dark, so I must prolong the day as long as possible; my win condition is to get the thread to 50 pages before a day 1 lynch.

OH NO! GIEFF JUST WON! GAH!!!