Medieval Mafia - Game Over

[camn]

I, for one, don't like stark's claim. I agree that it is a slightly unprovable claim that actually helps scum more than town. However, I am willing to suffer him alive for a day or two.

I think if a mafia framer turns up, it would help his claim.. but stark-scum would have known that.. so god knows.

Anyway... I say let him live for today. Tonight, Vigs will do what vigs do.

[DrippingGoofball]

What's more likely? A mafia framer, or a mafia-framer immune player?

[DrippingGoofball]

Kmd was really working hard to re-direct the wagon momentum from stark to qwints yesterday. Do take my word for it; go check for yourselves.

And I'm surprised stark hasn't breadcrumbed something about investigations being a little less than trustworthy in the game.

[Xylthixlm]

Let's see what Rogueben has said about stark so far.

Feb 27:

stark

- The things that he has said have been good. Terrible lurking has prevented much of a read though. Neutral leading protown.

Feb 28:

Wanted to finish this tonight but I'm out of time. Will finish tomorrow morning, I'm liking the stark wagon though.

Mar 10:

Scummyish

Korejora
Stark
sam.samhorn
farside22

I really dislike what I've seen from Korejora in this game so far.

My number one scum candidate for today is sam though. [...]

Mar 10:

The thing that concerns me about stark is that I think he is essentially a really lazy player and so the issues that people have with how he's playing are not necessarily scummy. I have seen him as useless town before. sam.samhorn seems much more likely to me to be scum.

Then again I'm happy for a bit of a pressure wagon.

Unvote, Vote: stark

Excuses stark's lurking and tries to deflect the wagon to sam

even as he votes stark

? Definitely scumbuddies.

[Xylthixlm]

There are far too many people who seem to want to keep stark alive for no apparent reason.

[Xylthixlm]

Kmd was really working hard to re-direct the wagon momentum from stark to qwints yesterday. Do take my word for it; go check for yourselves.

And I'm surprised stark hasn't breadcrumbed something about investigations being a little less than trustworthy in the game.

He said he breadcrumbed something about "confirmed innocent", which as far as I can tell is not a breadcrumb for his actual claim

at all

.

[Yosarian2]

How would you rate its usefulness as a fake claim, for the mafia?

Meh. It would be a safe claim to make, since it can't really be disproven. On the other hand, it's not an especally strong one, so it wouldn't really be likely to stop a wagon. Probably slightly more useful then a vanillia townie claim.

What about the hint of the existence of a mafia framer. Does that contribute to shedding doubt on investigations? Is that good for the scum?

Don't tell me the thought hasn't occurred to you, big time.

Huh, that's a good point. No, it hadn't occured to me.

What's more likely? A mafia framer, or a mafia-framer immune player?

Clearly, a mafia framer.

In most games, I would be more suspicious of someone who had such an unusual claim. However, so far this game, we've had Xyl's bizzare role, we've apparently had a double-vote-giving role, and we've had TWO dead "town martyrs". So I'm thinking that trying to outguess the mod this game is probably a bad idea.

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote Count:

8 to lynch

Rogueben: 5 (Korejora, Xylthixlm, DrippingGoofball, populartajo, farside22)
stark: 1 (Rogueben)
camn: 1 (sam.samhorn)
Yosarian2: 1 (Tarhalindur)

Not Voting: 5 (hasdgfas, stark, populartajo, scotmany12, camn)

[camn]

Hey guys. Just letting you know i'm vla until tuesday

I am interested in exploring this Rougeben thing. I def agree with Xyl in 1828.. that is some serious fencesitting.

But he wont be around to answer questions till I am gone..

[DrippingGoofball]

There's one scum in this lot:

crywolf20084: 9 (populartajo,

Caboose

, Yosarian2, stark, Tarhalindur, farside22, camn,

DrippingGoofball

,

qwints

)

[DrippingGoofball]

Kmd was very insistent that the zwet wagon was scum driven. You know what? I believe him.

zwetschenwasser: 7 (

hasdgfas

, Thestatusquo,

qwints

, Yosarian2, scotmany12, sam.samhorn,

Kmd4390

)

[stark]

Xyl, bare your soul.

What do you think of stark's claim?

I think that framer-immune is the sort of claim which is more likely to be used as a fakeclaim than actually put into a game. The rolename is probably true.

Just point of inquiry, do you think my claim is authentic or no?

[Yosarian2]

There's one scum in this lot:

crywolf20084: 9 (populartajo,

Caboose

, Yosarian2, stark, Tarhalindur, farside22, camn,

DrippingGoofball

,

qwints

)

Like I said earlier, I still don't trust that kind of argument. In any case, pop is pretty obv town at this point, I think.

[Xylthixlm]

There's one scum in this lot:

crywolf20084: 9 (populartajo,

Caboose

, Yosarian2, stark, Tarhalindur, farside22, camn,

DrippingGoofball

,

qwints

)

Of those, stark.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, bare your soul.

What do you think of stark's claim?

I think that framer-immune is the sort of claim which is more likely to be used as a fakeclaim than actually put into a game. The rolename is probably true.

Just point of inquiry, do you think my claim is authentic or no?

Leaning no.

[camn]

There's one scum in this lot:

crywolf20084: 9 (populartajo,

Caboose

, Yosarian2, stark, Tarhalindur, farside22, camn,

DrippingGoofball

,

qwints

)

Like I said earlier, I still don't trust that kind of argument.

It worked with KMD.

[stark]

Xyl, bare your soul.

What do you think of stark's claim?

I think that framer-immune is the sort of claim which is more likely to be used as a fakeclaim than actually put into a game. The rolename is probably true.

Just point of inquiry, do you think my claim is authentic or no?

Leaning no.

So you're saying that you believe my rolename, but not my roleclaim?

[Xylthixlm]

So you're saying that you believe my rolename, but not my roleclaim?

Yes.

[Xylthixlm]

My hypothesis is that stark is the mafia "godfather" in that he's the only mafia member whose role name is not an obvious villain. This fits in with his desire to be rolename-investigated, his "confirmed innocent" silliness, and the possible attempt by Kmd to derail his lynch.

As for why I disbelieve the claim... well, at least one of the following must be true. Which is most likely?
* stark is lying about his role as frame-immune townie
* hasdgfas is lying about his role as town name cop
* There is a frame-immune townie, but no mafia framer
* There is a mafia framer, but no town alignment cop
* There is both a town alignment cop and a town name cop

[Xylthixlm]

Additional possibility I didn't think of until just now:
* There is a mafia rolename-framer

[Yosarian2]

There's one scum in this lot:

crywolf20084: 9 (populartajo,

Caboose

, Yosarian2, stark, Tarhalindur, farside22, camn,

DrippingGoofball

,

qwints

)

Like I said earlier, I still don't trust that kind of argument.

It worked with KMD.

:eyebrow:

Pop is obvtown, tar is probably town, and I have a good feeling about stark. So, if this method is actually correct in this case, then that would mean that from my point of view either you or farside are probably scum.

[stark]

My hypothesis is that stark is the mafia "godfather" in that he's the only mafia member whose role name is not an obvious villain. This fits in with his desire to be rolename-investigated, his "confirmed innocent" silliness, and the possible attempt by Kmd to derail his lynch.

As for why I disbelieve the claim... well, at least one of the following must be true. Which is most likely?
* stark is lying about his role as frame-immune townie
* hasdgfas is lying about his role as town name cop
* There is a frame-immune townie, but no mafia framer
* There is a mafia framer, but no town alignment cop
* There is both a town alignment cop and a town name cop

That's really stupid. You're outguessing the mod on a whole different level.

Name-Godfather? Really?

[DrippingGoofball]

That's really stupid. You're outguessing the mod on a whole different level.

Name-Godfather? Really?

Xyl didn't say it was likely, just listed it as a hypothesis.

@Yos - how hard was Kmd trying to squash the stark wagon in order to whip up the competing qwints wagon, on a scale of 1 to 10? Please show your calculations.

[populartajo]

WE NEED MOAR INFORMATIONNNNN! aka Rogueben lynch/claim.
There is something interesting, though. Stark wagon has totally lost its power very quick.

[Yosarian2]

That's really stupid. You're outguessing the mod on a whole different level.

Name-Godfather? Really?

Xyl didn't say it was likely, just listed it as a hypothesis.

@Yos - how hard was Kmd trying to squash the stark wagon in order to whip up the competing qwints wagon, on a scale of 1 to 10? Please show your calculations.

Well, that's not quite right; he didn't join the qwints wagon in order to "squish" the stark wagon, since he was on the qwints wagon before there was a stark wagon (only 1 vote on stark at the time, caboose, and he's been voting stark for a long time without anyone else joining him.) It's more like "he was on the qwints wagon, and was unwilling to leave it for the stark wagon".

Looking back at his posts, I do see what you mean, he was making the case qwints was a better lynch then stark for a while; but, meh, Kmd's behavior also makes sense if both qwints and stark are town. (shrug)