Mafia 88- Return to New Catania- Game Over!

Adel · Post Post #1650 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:36 pm

competing wagons force lurkers to take a position.

read mini 703 to see me debating this with skilled and skeptical townie players, and winning the game for town.

iamausername · Post Post #1651 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:43 pm

Adel wrote:competing wagons force lurkers to take a position.

Who are you talking about here? The only people who weren't already voting for either Der Hammer or CarnCarn were Der Hammer and CarnCarn themselves, and I'd think their positions on the matter would be fairly obvious.

HowardRoark wrote:The amazing chain of quotes there was the focus on curiouskarmadog that when pressured to provide evidence that tubby216 was part of the Florida mafia, you ignored it and switched presure to SensFan.

I'm still utterly failing to grasp what point you're making here.

a) I was focused on ckd
b) vollkan asked me why I thought tubby was non-Florida
c) I switched pressure to SensFan

What on Earth is making you think that c) happened

as a result of b)

? I don't even understand how that makes any sense at all, never mind what the implications of it are supposed to be.

Adel · Post Post #1652 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:00 pm

Votecount:
Yosarian2 (1): CarnCarn
CarnCarn (4): Yosarian2, OhGodMyLife, Adel, Tubby
Der Hammer (2): HowardRoark, iamausername

I forgot that OGML had committed to CarnCarn.

unvote, vote: Der Hammer

Votecount:
Yosarian2 (1): CarnCarn
CarnCarn (3): Yosarian2, OhGodMyLife, Tubby
Der Hammer (3): HowardRoark, iamausername, Adel

Adel · Post Post #1653 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:03 pm

*and Ecto has not been replaced yet.
~~~
CarnCarn please vote for Der Hammer so that he can be hammered.

Der Hammer · Post Post #1654 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:34 pm

Vote:Carncarn

lynching me at this point would be counterproductive.

Adel · Post Post #1655 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:35 pm

Der Hammer wrote:
Vote:Carncarn

lynching me at this point would be counterproductive.

fwiw, this was der hammer's first post on this site in 15 days.

HowardRoark · Post Post #1656 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:33 am

Psssst . . . Adel . . . I replaced Ectomancer.

@iamusername: It was just a very sudden shift to SensFan without a stated reason.

@Der Hammer: Really? How is you being dead counterproductive to you living and not contributing?

tubby216 · Post Post #1657 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:47 am

adel u are slippin,

Adel · Post Post #1658 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:25 pm

unvote, vote:CarnCarn

for the hammer, i think, unless I still can't count.

HowardRoark · Post Post #1659 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:33 pm

unvote
vote CarnCarn

Since this is the way it's going, I want to make sure we have a lynch.

The Fonz · Post Post #1660 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:55 am

Among Colombia's more successful exports are coffee, Shakira, and soccer players with ridiculous haircuts. Among the less successful must be numbered

CarnCarn

, whose failure to complete his mission in New Catania would have led drug Overlord Pablo Solis Vallejo to kill him, had the locals not saved him the bother by stringing the poor narc up by the neck. Who says the American justice system doesn't work?

CarnCarn,

Colombian Cartel Godfather,

lynched day five.

It is now Night Five: all choices to me by 4pm GMT on friday please.

The Fonz · Post Post #1661 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:02 am

Death can come in many guises. For many dodgy-looking characters in New Catania over the years, that guise was of

OhGodMyLife

, who had long waged a bloody and mostly unsuccessful war on crime after dark. His friends and family were shocked to find out that last night, he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Five times. From the back of a passing car.

Less notable, but no less tragic, was the loss of HowardRoark. Neighbors remembered him as a big Steelers fan, one on whom the Iron Curtain fell all too swiftly.

OhGodMyLife,

Vigilante

, 'Committed Suicide' Night Five.

HowardRoark,

Vanilla Townie,

killed flavorlessly, Night Five.

It is now day six. With five alive, three votes are required to lynch.

tubby216 · Post Post #1662 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:18 am

ok nobody vote because scum can easily quick hammer for the win.

i think a mass claim is in order. thoughts??

Adel · Post Post #1663 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:09 pm

OGML is an idiot for not killing Der Hammer.

I'm ok with a massclaim.

HowardRoark · Post Post #1664 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:20 pm

BAH! GO TOWN!

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1665 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:22 pm

Hmm. Well, with the vig dead, a massclaim probably won't do any harm; although I don't know how much good it's likely to do either.

OhGodMyLife · Post Post #1666 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:49 pm

Adel · Post Post #1667 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:00 pm

Could Der Hammer be a mafia goon in a mafia that has a living doctor in it?

That would explain why OGML didn't kill Der Hammer -- he had already failed in the past. I suspect that The Fonz didn't use symmetrical scum teams in this game.

I haven't done a read of OGML's posts yet. But that is something I'm looking for: evidence of a failed kill. Please tell me if you find it first.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1668 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:30 am

Adel wrote:Could Der Hammer be a mafia goon in a mafia that has a living doctor in it?

Well...mafia doctors are possible, but if there's a failed vig kill, it'd be more likely it was on a nk-immune godfather, especally since purple mafia had a godfather.

iamausername · Post Post #1669 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:46 am

Yeah, massclaim now. Does anyone care about an order, or should we just go whenever?

Adel wrote:I suspect that The Fonz didn't use symmetrical scum teams in this game.

Is there any reason for this besides it working as an explanation for why OGML never killed Der Hammer?

Yosarian2 wrote:Well...mafia doctors are possible, but if there's a failed vig kill, it'd be more likely it was on a nk-immune godfather, especally since purple mafia had a godfather.

With two cops, it seems likely that godfather = inv-immune, though. And I'm pretty sure it wouldn't mean inv-immune AND nk-immune, considering how frequently I've seen The Fonz bitching about how unfair it is to give both to SKs.

tubby, you followed Adel's vote for most of yesterday, but when she flipped back to Der Hammer in Post #1652, you didn't follow. Why not?

Adel, why did you hammer CarnCarn after Der Hammer had just proved that he had not flaked, and was in fact continuing to shamelessly lurk, as he has throughout the entire game?

Yos... I don't have anything in particular I want to ask you right now, besides the obvious "who is scum?" type of thing that everybody should be answering.

Der Hammer, would you care to actually play the game at any point today? If you are actually town, there is really zero chance that we'll win without your input.

Adel · Post Post #1670 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:10 pm

iamausername wrote:Yeah, massclaim now. Does anyone care about an order, or should we just go whenever?

popcorn with Der Hammer picking who goes next.

Adel wrote:I suspect that The Fonz didn't use symmetrical scum teams in this game.
Is there any reason for this besides it working as an explanation for why OGML never killed Der Hammer?

Xyl's role still seems weird to me, since none of the Purple roles indicate the ability to recruit. The vig totally should have killed the claimed & lurking Miller.

With two cops, it seems likely that godfather = inv-immune, though. And I'm pretty sure it wouldn't mean inv-immune AND nk-immune, considering how frequently I've seen The Fonz bitching about how unfair it is to give both to SKs.

I totally agree with this. He talked me out of using a dual-immune Sk in a game that he reviewed for me.

Adel, why did you hammer CarnCarn after Der Hammer had just proved that he had not flaked, and was in fact continuing to shamelessly lurk, as he has throughout the entire game?

I was expecting a vig-kill or SK-pretending-to-be-a-vig-kill to take Der Hammer out. I also thought that CarnCarn was a really acceptable lynch.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1671 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:32 pm

iamausername wrote: With two cops, it seems likely that godfather = inv-immune, though. And I'm pretty sure it wouldn't mean inv-immune AND nk-immune, considering how frequently I've seen The Fonz bitching about how unfair it is to give both to SKs.

Good point; he has taken that point of view on MD lots of times.
Yos... I don't have anything in particular I want to ask you right now, besides the obvious "who is scum?" type of thing that everybody should be answering.

Well...I'm thinking that the most likely scum groups here are der hammer-Iamusername, Adel-Iamusername, and Iamusername-tubby, and Adel-tubby. I don't really think it's that likely that either Tubby or Adel is paired up with Der Hammer, considering how hard they were both trying to lynch him for much of yesterday. So right now, based on that, my main two choices to lynch today are either you or tubby; looking at those groups, I think that at least one of the two you is almost certanly scum.

Adel · Post Post #1672 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:08 pm

why not Iamusername-Der Hammer?

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1673 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:22 pm

Adel wrote:why not Iamusername-Der Hammer?

Well, it's possible. Iamusername's der hammer vote yesterday seemed was pretty key, but it could have been bussing.

Still, I think the lynch today is either Iamusername or Tubby; I have trouble coming up with a probable scum group that dosn't inclue one of them.

tubby216 · Post Post #1674 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:57 pm

IAUN wrote:tubby, you followed Adel's vote for most of yesterday, but when she flipped back to Der Hammer in Post #1652, you didn't follow. Why not?

because i have seen adel do this before, i knew what adel was up to. adel was trying for lurkers to be vocal and play. some people react to

FOS

's but every one reacts to

VOTE "their name"

. since that is a true statement. people will react more quickly if there are two votes on them or their partner alot faster than one vote,

as to why i diddn't follow onto der hammer hammer was i felt carn carn was the better lynch. I also knew adel would come back to hammer or l-1 carn carn agian,

adel used this tactic expertly in mini 703 where adel caught me as "scum" i think i am officially goin to call this tactic the "pickle play". you know like in baseball when the runner is caught between two fielders and they throw the ball back and forth until the runner is eventually caught.