Mini 738: The Town of Merrin - Game Over

[springlullaby]

Let's write that again.

Dour needs to check in.

Also I want a claim from Gieff.

[PJ.]

I don't agree with claims right now.

[SensFan]

You claimed vanilla. At this point, your expendable so we can get one last shot at me finding scum.

SL, Me, Xtoxm are confirmed.

Also I doubt she is investigation immune or that would be a LOT of cop hate.

Sorry, but how the fuck are you guys confirmed?
And if you're killing unconfirmed people, why start with the one that hammered Scum out of nowhere?

[springlullaby]

I don't agree with claims right now.

Why?

The doc is already out.

Gieff needs to confirm Beyond.

And dour is one big hole in the map.

[Beyond_Birthday]

Umm. SL is innocent. Xtoxm shouldn't of claimed and for GIEFF, every two weeks I am primarily low access, because I get to see my girlfriend. This was that weekend, Sens(who I'm friends with) knew this and I wished he would of informed people.

I don't like how xtoxm is acting but he probably is telling the truth. I don't want anymore claims.

I agree sens is probably the right play. I'll wait a few before I vote him.

Also i didn't claim innocent because I didn't want a quickhammer.

This is a terrible idea. If I'm scum, Sens can't be. There is only one (supposedly) mafia left. If he's scum, I lied. In this scenario, I'm town aligned, and I wouldn't lie. Therefore, in both scenarios, Sens is primarily innocent.

SL isn't confirmed.

Xtorm is semi-confirmed.

I agree with SL's above post. Gieff should post.


Also, as a side note: Panzer, I forbid you from having your balls drained again, it has turned you into a blubbering idiot.

[Beyond_Birthday]

Ebwop:

BB, do you know if each mafia would show up as visiting their night kill? If you track scum-person A, and scum-person B is the one who PM's the mod, will scum-person A also show up as visiting the nightkill target?

I know if person A has left his/her house and who he/she visited.

[PJ.]

I got an innocent on SL. She is confirmed..

I'm confirmed Cop.

Xtoxm is probably confirmed.

and actually...I'm gonna go with my gut here insteaqd of my brain since B_B is probably right about ball drainage.

Vote:Mykonian.

Seems like my gut has been right for most of this game and this was my very first hunch so let's go with this.

[GIEFF]

Yes, I confirm Beyond's report - I am vanilla townie.

Although I don't know why B_B assumes I am town rather than scum who just never left his house. I should not be at 0%.

[GIEFF]

SL is FAR from confirmed.

[PJ.]

Why? There is no way she is GF. Anyone stating this is retarded. There is a framer and a RB. No way in HELL is there an investigation immune.

[SensFan]

Why? There is no way she is GF. Anyone stating this is retarded. There is a framer and a RB. No way in HELL is there an investigation immune.

Sorry, Panzer. My experience with the Mod's set-ups tells me the exact opposite.

[GIEFF]

I disagree - I think it is possible to have a framer, RB, and godfather, if we really do have a doc, cop, deputy, vig, AND tracker.

And serial killer is more likely than godfather.

And your sanity is not confirmed, either.


I think vig is the most likely, but she is by no means confirmed.

[GIEFF]

SL, why did you shoot ting?

[springlullaby]

Because he was a 50/50 lurkerscum. Public service kill.

[PJ.]

I guess it'd have to be that way..note if this is all true..I'm not gonna be inning for anymore Kloud games...unless i need killer flavor. cause it's awesome..Kudos Kloud.

[GIEFF]

Vote Panzerjager

Because it's fun.

[PJ.]

*woohoo*

[SensFan]

note if this is all true..I'm not gonna be inning for anymore Kloud games...

He was asking me about the balance in a game of something like:

GF
Framer
Goon
Cop
TownRB
Miller
Townies

And where every Townie had an identical Restriction.

[PJ.]

That is retarded

[kloud1516]

Vote Count XIX

SensFan

(2): Xtoxm, mykonian

springlullaby

(1): SensFan

mykonian

(1): Panzerjager

Panzerjager

(1): GIEFF

Not Voting:

Beyond_Birthday, Dourgrim, springlullaby

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Please notify me if there is a discrepancy in the list above

[Xtoxm]

I just realised BB clears Gieff fully.

Could you expand on the Sens result? If it clears Sens too I guess that makes Dour scum.

[GIEFF]

Xtoxm, how am I cleared fully? Why are you and B_B both overlooking the possibility that I am scum who just didn't do the night-killing, and so didn't show up on the tracker report?

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I shouldn't have dropped questioning Dourgrim the B_B/Zilla WIFOM thing just because he was getting so upset about it and accusing me of nitpicking. Here is where we left it:

You voted B_B. B_B presented WIFOM for Zilla. You felt this WIFOM was enough of a deterrent to either a B_B or Zilla lynch that you decided to focus on other leads that you yourself were more involved in creating, and that did not contain this degree of WIFOM. Therefore, you settled on Panzer being the best lynch choice for the day, and soon unvoted B_B to vote for Panzer.

According to Dourgrim, if B_B came up town, we would immediately lynch Zilla, and so we should table B_B/Zilla entirely. This has the dual benefit of not getting Zilla lynched due to B_B flipping town, and not lynching Zilla directly.

Dourgrim tried hard to link me to a Panzer lynch(who is almost certainly town), and de-link himself from Panzer:

If panzer flipped town, what do you think it'd say about myko and why? If he flipped scum? If myko flipped town/scum - panzer?

I'm not sure I'm entirely comfortable answering this in the thread for all to see. If we were to lynch Panzer or myko, it could be later misconstrued as me trying to lead the Town, and I'm not trying to do that at all. However, Panzer and myko pretty clearly linked themselves early on in this game, agreed? And, although I don't think links are foolproof ways of finding scum, they can be crucial at times and should be pursued when the case against the lynched and the link are both strong enough. In this case I believe both of those criteria to be applicable. Make sense?

And, just to be clear, I don't think it's just the other of that duo that we'll learn quite a bit about. GIEFF, BB, and others also weighed in heavily on this, and it could very well speak volumes to their intentions as well...

especially GIEFF and his uber-focused case on Panzer.

It is clear Dourgrim does not want it to look like he is leading the town if the result is a Panzer-lynch.


Here is what Dourgrim said about our two dead-scum:

Post 691:

Zilla: Goat's case against Zilla is solid. However, I initially got a Town read off of her when she first replaced into the game, and that shouldn't be completely ignored. While I agree that she's a good lynch candidate because of Goat's case, Panzer is still better.

qwints: I understand the case made against him since he joined the game, and it makes sense to an extent, but I don't have a very strong feeling about it one way or the other, and I did have something of a Town read on MacavityLock before qwints replaced in. Meh.

Translation: "I agree witht he cases, but I disagree with the lynches"

This is a knee-jerk reaction to the thread as of late: Zilla/Goatrevolt = GIEFF/Dourgrim. Both seem to be pairs of players whose play styles seem to clash, and although Goat's case on Zilla is still solid, the whole debate seems to be breaking down into "You lied!" "No, YOU lied!" stuff, and neither one seems to be convincing too many people in the thread that their case is airtight. Any of this sound familiar, GIEFF? Wink

My stance on Panzer hasn't changed, and his bullshit "I refuse to post until Zilla claims" crap makes me very happy with my vote on him, whether the rest of the Town sees him as a valid lynch target or not at the moment.

Translation: "Let's steer this ship from Zilla to Panzer."

No, you haven't caught scum. You THINK you have, and your case is fairly compelling, but don't even bother trying to misrepresent your opinion as fact, especially when it seems apparent that you can't even convince the majority of the Town that you're right.

Your conviction as to Zilla's scumminess is starting to make you look more than a little bit arrogant, Goat, and I think it's pushing people away. I still think you're pro-Town, but you really need to stop tunnelling.

Translation: "Back off my buddy."

Goatrevolt wrote:
Dour: I'm not acting on anything that requires knowledge of Zilla's alignment. Though I may think you a scum buddy, I'm not acting on it until I get confirmation of her alignment. For the record, there's nothing wrong with me saying "If Zilla is scum, I think the rest of the scum come from this pool of 4 players" even if there aren't that many total scum in the game. I can only vote one person at a time, so it doesn't matter if I have 6 plausible scum in a 12 player game, as long as I am pursuing who I think is most likely to be scum.

This is a fair point. However, what I was trying to get at is that you've lumped about half the game together with Zilla at varying points, which doesn't lend lots of creedence to your current theory (me and qwints). Of course, I believe your theory even less than the rest of the game because I know I'm Town, but that's neither here nor there (as pretty much any sane Mafia player would say the same thing).

Translation: "Holy shit, Goatrevolt found our entire scumteam. I better discredit him. We should probably night-kill him, too. "

Did I see earlier in the thread that I'm being linked to Zilla now? Is this because I said above that I believed Zilla to probably be Town? I did say that, but I'd be a liar if I said that my opinion hasn't changed since Goat/GIEFF's analysis of Zilla's case. The most telling part for me is Zilla's vote for Goat while BB is supposedly her top suspect. That makes no sense at all. The vote switch later is "too little too late" IMHO.

Translation: "Better distance if Zilla gets lynched. Can't have us being linked!"

[PJ.]

I like your case an will be considering in my night choice, but I believe I'm more comfortable with both a sens lynch or a myk lynch.

[springlullaby]

Myk is fifty fifty in my book, on one hand there is the bit where Zilla asks if there is still time to run up myk before the imminence of qwint lynch. On the other I don't think deputy is a good claim at all because I don't see how framer and roleblocker makes deputy more likely.

[Dourgrim]

I'm three pages behind right now. Saturday was my birthday, and so I wasn't around all weekend. I apologize for not posting in V/LA, I definitely should have... my only explanation is that I forgot.

I'm going to do multiple posts, one for each page as I'm reading them. It's the only way I'll be able to keep my thoughts organized and respond.

page 58

I said the game had become unfriendly, and SL questioned what I meant by that. I meant that it seemed like a number of the players had become unfriendly toward one another, with some rude and/or condescending posts. I don't like that sort of play, although I know that when I get mad I occasionally do so. I also try to smooth it over once I realize what I've done, and that doesn't appear to be the case here. *shrug*