Mini 738: The Town of Merrin - Game Over

Dourgrim · Post Post #1550 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:34 am

I'm dumb, don't need to do a post for every page.

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More dick posts from the same culprits, but nothing specific to address... although I do think it's odd that Panzer feels the need to string along with the investigation results.

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The idea of the massclaim comes out. Fine with me:

Claim: VT

. I know this isn't a convincing claim, but it's the truth. If you guys want to kill me to narrow down the possible mafia left, I understand, but please do so via lynch so you can use the knowledge of my VT flip to guide your night actions. (i.e. you can plan ahead of time who will get vig'd or investigated based on the different ways I could flip). I can't be confirmed (unless you want to investigate me instead of killing me, and that doesn't seem likely), so it makes sense for you to eliminate me as a possible mafia, and since we've gotten two in two days (both of which I voted for, incidentally), I'm an acceptable sacrifice. Sucks, but it's good Town play.

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I happen to agree with SensFan: Xtoxm really is trying hard to push the Town. Not sure why, but it's there. Of course, so are SensFan and SL... but hey, GIEFF was trying for awhile too, and we've been the better for it. This is part of what I meant by an unfriendly game.

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I've stated numerous times before that I'm not a fan of GIEFF's "translations" of other people's posts. He works VERY hard to put his own spin on people's posts based on his preconceptions. I will, however, agree that his "translations" are one possible way of interpreting my posts. They are inaccurate, but I can see how he got where he did. As I said above, I'm OK with being lynched... just use the information you gain from the lynch wisely.

I don't buy the Vig claim, to be honest... if flavor text can ever be believed as a clue, that looked a LOT more like a SK kill than a Vig kill, and I think with this many pro-Town power roles in the game, there almost HAS to be a SK for this to be a balanced setup at all. Has anyone considered the possibility of a SK that comes up innocent on a night where she doesn't kill? I've used that in games before, and it would explain a lot.

vote: springlullaby

Xtoxm · Post Post #1551 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:07 am

SK is always innocent to cops, that's why SL can't be allowed to survive to endgame.

At the moment, we can afford it. Mislynch + 2 town NKs, 6 alive, 1 SK 1 Mafia.

SL must be lynched tomorrow

no matter what

if the game hasn't ended by then.

Gieff - Zilla blocked Panz the night you were tracked. So if you are scum you killed Goat. Which you didn't.

SensFan · Post Post #1552 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:17 am

Xtoxm wrote:SK is always innocent to cops, that's why SL can't be allowed to survive to endgame.

At the moment, we can afford it. Mislynch + 2 town NKs, 6 alive, 1 SK 1 Mafia.

SL must be lynched tomorrow
no matter what
if the game hasn't ended by then.

Gieff - Zilla blocked Panz the night you were tracked. So if you are scum you killed Goat. Which you didn't.

Didn't she block Panz on the Night I was tracked?

Note: The Lab people say my laptop is gone for longer than they thought.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1553 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:20 am

No you were last night. She was dead.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1554 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:23 am

Sens, just admit you don't intend to post any "notes". I couldn't care less anyway...

SensFan · Post Post #1555 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:27 am

Xtoxm wrote:Sens, just admit you don't intend to post any "notes". I couldn't care less anyway...

I swear, I have them on my laptop.

springlullaby · Post Post #1556 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:05 am

Alright, which part of the flavor exactly do you think is indicative of SK?

Plus, what exactly make you think I'm more SK than vig?

Then why the the stretch you need to go to justify your vote on me: 'SK who come up as innocent on no kill night'. Hah. You will have to provide link to the game you are talking about because I'm calling bullshit.

Also, why are you attacking Xtoxm, the claimed doc?

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Anyway, hypothetical setup according to claim

Town

Panzerjager - cop pretty ok claim on account of flipped framer, him not being cop would require huge machination.

Xtoxm - doc, ok claim, the only possibility of him being scum would have to be mafia no killing for fakeclaiming purpose --> presupose knowledge of no doc or huge gambit doesn't fit flip of roleblocker

Beyond_Birthday - tracker - pretty ok claim due to framer, good to possibly save the cop if false positive + qwint + zilla going against him hardcore day 1, doubt it's bussing. The downside to this is his clearing Gieff for no action N1.

mykonian - deputy : I'm less hot about this one. because a deputy seems unnecessary. But still the Zilla comment has to count for something.

springlullaby - vig --> I'm town, just hard to digest.

Dourgrim - vanilla ---> this one is my scum of the moment.
1) His suggestion of lynching me is pretty sucky because I can prove myself back foth sideways and back again + I don't see what exactly make me SK in the first place

2) Typical maf suggestion of lynching vig on vague SK suspicions

3) Voting me despite of all good argument is also scummy because according to previously drawn plan, he get vigged

4) Lack of analysing the town in it's ensemble before casting a vote.

GIEFF - vanilla : I don't like the cinema about 'claiming last', I don't like the crappy 'gambit', I don't like the suspicion all over the place since day 1, and I don't like the useless vote counting script but I do think he is town

SensFan - vanilla - less scum than dour in my book because of the wifom zilla hammer, but such is the nature of wifom and the suspicion about GF ness is not unfounded.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... c&&start=0
The only game I played with framer had a GF. It balances out the game in case the framer get caught early.

ting - vanilla
goat - vanilla

Mafia
Zilla - roleblocker
qwint - framer

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Right now I'm thinking

Lynch sens/dour
vig sens/dour
panzer investigate myk or whomever

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tomorrow Xtoxm should be dead, and even if you lynch me, and neither sens/dour are scum , there would have to be two scum in that list for town to lost D5:

Beyond
GIEFF
mykonian
Panzerjager

And that would have to suck ass hardcore.

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Just to make bloody sure, Beyond, elaborate on the flavor that make you say sens is 10% scum.

springlullaby · Post Post #1557 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:10 am

Xtoxm wrote:SK is always innocent to cops, that's why SL can't be allowed to survive to endgame.

At the moment, we can afford it. Mislynch + 2 town NKs, 6 alive, 1 SK 1 Mafia.

SL must be lynched tomorrow
no matter what
if the game hasn't ended by then.

Gieff - Zilla blocked Panz the night you were tracked. So if you are scum you killed Goat. Which you didn't.

You'll have to apologize for your paranoia aftergame because I'm pretty the reason you are not trusting me now is because of how awesomely I owned your guys asses as SK in Ythill's game.

springlullaby · Post Post #1558 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:10 am

So what, vote sens or dour?

SensFan · Post Post #1559 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:11 am

I'm really not seeing the case to have me lynched/vig'd.

*I hammered the ScumRB point-blank
*I was tracked and found to do nothing, when the (presumably) only other Scum was a RB

Xtoxm · Post Post #1560 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:22 am

What SL said works. Tracker can clear another. Me on Panz or BB?

I'll wait for BB to comment, then prob change to Dour...

Xtoxm · Post Post #1561 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:24 am

springlullaby wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:SK is always innocent to cops, that's why SL can't be allowed to survive to endgame.

At the moment, we can afford it. Mislynch + 2 town NKs, 6 alive, 1 SK 1 Mafia.

SL must be lynched tomorrow
no matter what
if the game hasn't ended by then.

Gieff - Zilla blocked Panz the night you were tracked. So if you are scum you killed Goat. Which you didn't.

You'll have to apologize for your paranoia aftergame because I'm pretty the reason you are not trusting me now is because of how awesomely I owned your guys asses as SK in Ythill's game.

SL, it's mainly to remove the possibility. You could be vig, but you could be SK. And town seems quite powerful. If your SK and don't get lynched tomorrow, town gets pretty fucked with the maf-SK lylo situation. Maf will prob be dead this cycle anyway, I hope.

springlullaby · Post Post #1562 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:34 am

Alright

Vote sensfan

springlullaby · Post Post #1563 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:40 am

SensFan wrote:I'm really not seeing the case to have me lynched/vig'd.

*I hammered the ScumRB point-blank
*I was tracked and found to do nothing, when the (presumably) only other Scum was a RB

I'm not seeing why Xtoxm is arguing for my getting lynched tomorrow if the game doesn't end either.

So what?

If you see hole in the propose logic, point them out instead whining.

SensFan · Post Post #1564 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:46 am

springlullaby wrote:If you see hole in the propose logic, point them out instead whining.

You, Xtoxm, Panzer are no more confirmed than I am, unless I missed something.

springlullaby · Post Post #1565 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:49 am

SensFan wrote:
springlullaby wrote:If you see hole in the propose logic, point them out instead whining.
You, Xtoxm, Panzer are no more confirmed than I am, unless I missed something.

Well yes, it seems to me that you are missing a lot, but I'll humor you.

Make your hypothetical town composition and explain it.

SensFan · Post Post #1566 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:52 am

springlullaby wrote:
SensFan wrote:
springlullaby wrote:If you see hole in the propose logic, point them out instead whining.
You, Xtoxm, Panzer are no more confirmed than I am, unless I missed something.
Well yes, it seems to me that you are missing a lot, but I'll humor you.

Make your hypothetical town composition and explain it.

I'm not here to say that I think Town is X, Y, Z, etc...
I'm here to say I'm not Scum. And I'm thinking increasingly that you are.

If you are cleared by a Tracker result, let me know.
If Panzer is cleared by a Tracker result, let me know.
If Xtoxm is cleared by a Tacker result, let me know.

In the meantime, none of you are confirmed.

springlullaby · Post Post #1567 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:58 am

SensFan wrote:
springlullaby wrote:
SensFan wrote:
springlullaby wrote:If you see hole in the propose logic, point them out instead whining.
You, Xtoxm, Panzer are no more confirmed than I am, unless I missed something.
Well yes, it seems to me that you are missing a lot, but I'll humor you.

Make your hypothetical town composition and explain it.
I'm not here to say that I think Town is X, Y, Z, etc...
I'm here to say I'm not Scum. And I'm thinking increasingly that you are.

If you are cleared by a Tracker result, let me know.
If Panzer is cleared by a Tracker result, let me know.
If Xtoxm is cleared by a Tacker result, let me know.

In the meantime, none of you are confirmed.

oh, only 'increasingly' that I'm scum. Why are you voting me then?

SensFan · Post Post #1568 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:01 am

springlullaby wrote:oh, only 'increasingly' that I'm scum. Why are you voting me then?

I suggest you look up 'increasingly'. It means 'more and more' not 'wasn't before'.

springlullaby · Post Post #1569 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:03 am

Lol ok, good shot. So, why exactly?

Xtoxm · Post Post #1570 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:04 am

Panz is confirmed by Myk.

SL is clear by the extra kill. (of being maf)

I can be scum i'll give you that but you don't need to take things so literally.

Dourgrim · Post Post #1571 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:20 am

springlullaby wrote:Alright, which part of the flavor exactly do you think is indicative of SK?

Plus, what exactly make you think I'm more SK than vig?

This is the post with the night kills described in it (I'd have quoted it, but we're forbidden from quoting the Mod, and I wasn't sure if this counted). Goat's death scene just screams "psycho" to me. Disemboweling someone on a pointed stick in the ground and then stuffing them full of straw? Doesn't that seem a little... um, NUTS?! Also, the flavor specifically says something about the evil presence being determined to ward off birds that disturb

their fallen comrade qwints

and so making a scarecrow out of Goat. That's not ambiguous; it flat-out says that the evil presence did it. Read the post.

springlullaby wrote:Then why the the stretch you need to go to justify your vote on me: 'SK who come up as innocent on no kill night'. Hah. You will have to provide link to the game you are talking about because I'm calling bullshit.

I designed Firefly Mafia, which Talitha had to finish running when I lost regular access to the internet (we shared the login "Mr. Whedon" for the purposes of modding that game). In that game, Saffron was a SK who came up guilty to Cops if she killed that night and innocent if she didn't.

springlullaby wrote:Also, why are you attacking Xtoxm, the claimed doc?

I'm not attacking him. I'm agreeing that he's pushing the Town. He may be trying to do so to the Town's benefit, that remains to be seen.

Dourgrim · Post Post #1572 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:21 am

EBWOP: I'm assuming that the Mafia would riddle someone with bullets (ting) and a SK would be more gruesome and, well, NUTS (Goat on a stick).

mykonian · Post Post #1573 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:29 am

why would mafia kill ting? I think this is getting things from flavour that you shouldn't do. Kloud just writes awesome flavour, that is all.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1574 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:33 am

Dourgrim wrote:EBWOP: I'm assuming that the Mafia would riddle someone with bullets (ting) and a SK would be more gruesome and, well, NUTS (Goat on a stick).

No, we've already been through this, Goat = Maf kill

Ting = Vig/SK

It was in the scene flavour somewhere.

Dour, you the last scum?