726 - Mind Screw Gaiden, Game Over

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

With populartajo's vote, MafiaSSK has been lynched!

It's twilight! Send me your choices ASAP please.

[MafiaSSK]

Bah. See Time Abuse Mafia for lolz.

[Tarhalindur]

Bah. See Time Abuse Mafia for lolz.

Hmm... was that a confession of Cult Leader-ness?

[MafiaSSK]

Bah. See Time Abuse Mafia for lolz.

Hmm... was that a confession of Cult Leader-ness?

No. Just ironic how the Cult Leader recruited the same people as the people in Time Abuse to frame me. As I said I'm a townie.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

MafiaSSK, Etna(from Disgaea: Hour of Darkness), Vassal Recruiter, Lynched Day 5

Vi, Richard Nixon(from Real Life), Prinny Vassal, Died from Etna's death Day 5

It's now Day 6!

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Updated opening post:

In the Woods

populartajo
UnofficialRulerOfEveryone
Isacc
Tarhalindur
veerus

Found Their Way Back

hp [leaves], bender rodriguez(from futurama), the robo-supremacist. Dismantled day one.
MafiaSSK, Etna(from Disgaea: Hour of Darkness), Vassal Recruiter, Lynched Day 5

Lost. Permanently.

Zwetzenwhatsit, Lain Iwakura(from Serial Experiments Lain), scihizophrenic townie. Died of Jewish guiltday one.
Illumina, G-Man(from Half-Life), Neutral Liason, Entered the Vortescence Day 4
Machiavellian-Mafia, Jesus Christ(from The Holy Bible), Prinny Vassal, Lynched Day 4
Forbiddanlight, Amante(from Zone of the Enders: Fist of Mars), Prinny Vassal, Died of Jewish Guilt Day 4
Vi, Richard Nixon(from Real Life), Prinny Vassal, Died from Etna's death Day 5

[Tarhalindur]

Okay, that's the last Neutral down.

I sent in a modal block yesterday: Kinetic if Kinetic was a legal target, UROE if Kinetic was not a legal target.

Populartajo, which Dream did you use, if any? (In particular, we need to know if you used Endless Eight.)

Count of Monte Cristo, extrapolating from D2 results (not counting Prinny revives):

Town (6):
- Natirasha, Jesus, Townie Son of Mod, lynched D1
- zwetschenwasser, Lain Iwakura, Schizophrenic Townie, supersainted D1
- 4x unknown

Mafia (3):
- Kinetic, Number Six, Mafia Beloved Godfather, run over (probably Bender kill) D1, totally RFG'ed D2
- Forbiddanlight, Amante, Mafia Temptress (lover-maker), lynched D2
- 1x unknown

Neutral (3):
- hp [leaves], Bender, Robo-Supremacist (presumably SK), dismantled by yours truly D1
- Vi, Richard Nixon, Townie Wiretapper/SK-miller, lover-suicided D2
- MafiaSSK, Etna, Prinny Recruiter (cult leader), lynched D5

Not a Faction (1):
- Illumina, G-Man, Neutral Liason (presumably modified Ozmodiar), left the game (won/self-RFG'ed?) D4

We're looking for a single Mafioso here, folks. I suspect it's UROE, but I'm not sure yet.

I also think a full massclaim would be a good idea - if we can confirm three players, we have an autowin.

[Tarhalindur]

Mod: Can we have PRODS on populartajo, Isacc, and veerus as soon as they become prod-eligible? (should be Tuesday if I'm reading right)

[Vi]

<bah post>

See you later!

</bah post>

[Tarhalindur]

Confirmed or mostly confirmed:

- Tarhalindur (claimed hp [leaves] kill and was not counterclaimed, one of two players to spot forbiddanlight before her self-destruct, Whack-a-moled as town)
- populartajo (claimed Dreams of Reality and has not been counterclaimed - I've considered Dreams of Reality on Mafia before, but the two confirmed Dreams look like a town* Dreaming God)

If we can confirm one more townie, we should be able to autowin (especially with my roleblock floating around). I say massclaim time!

* - we're out of Neutrals, so he can't be neutral.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Jahudo replaces UROE, effective immediately. Thanks for stepping in Jahudo!

[Jahudo]

Hello all. I should be done reading some time tomorrow.

[populartajo]

Hello all. I should be done reading some time tomorrow.

Claim now, please.
And sorry Tar, but I didnt use any ability in twilight. It would have been helpful to let me know what ability I should have used..

[veerus]

Since Tar's theories are largely sound and he's been town, I'm in for the mass claim.

I'm the Engineer from Team Fortress. I can construct 3 different inventions on players and I can only have one of each out at the time. I have had one of them active on myself since day 1 - "sentry guns" - which basically kills whoever targets me not of my alignment. I'm not sure how Nat's action resolutions work but I suspect my constructions are near the bottom.. but if not, this ability may have killed Kinetic on day 1, though I'm not sure why the godfather would be the one doing the killing.

Since Tar was proved town, I placed "dispensers" on him which basically protects him from all kill attempts.

Third ability is a teleporter which is basically a redirect. I've found no use for it yet and thus have not used it.

[Jahudo]

I'm all caught up now and my mind is thoroughly screwed. I'll probably need walking through some of these mechanics, I'm pretty new at these kind of games.

Sure, I'll full claim:

I am the

Townie Unmaker (Winston Smith from Nineteen Eighty-Four)

.

My active ability is called

Unperson

. Each day I can target a player in the graveyard and all their posts are deleted. That's what happened to Kinetic Day 2. It hasn't happened to anyone else because Nat left and m-m can't delete posts. :/

My inactive ability is called

Mutual

, you know the one that says g-man's in the game and not town-aligned. I don't think anyone has actually stated the name yet but tajo had considered that day 1.

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Re: Other claims:

-I believe that Tar is confirmed town through the whack-a-mole and overall towniness.

-tajo has a role I'm unfamiliar with but it sounds like a really cool inventor. I can believe his role is town.

-veerus' claim sounds like a riff on all the Half-Life themes but I guess it could be real. A big concern is that nothing here can be confirmed now. It's also part killing in a game that already has alot of potential ways to have people killed.

That leaves veerus or Isacc as last scum. I'm going to look over all their posts again next.

[Tarhalindur]

I'm all caught up now and my mind is thoroughly screwed. I'll probably need walking through some of these mechanics, I'm pretty new at these kind of games.

Sure, I'll full claim:

I am the

Townie Unmaker (Winston Smith from Nineteen Eighty-Four)

.

My active ability is called

Unperson

. Each day I can target a player in the graveyard and all their posts are deleted. That's what happened to Kinetic Day 2. It hasn't happened to anyone else because Nat left and m-m can't delete posts. :/

My inactive ability is called

Mutual

, you know the one that says g-man's in the game and not town-aligned. I don't think anyone has actually stated the name yet but tajo had considered that day 1.

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Re: Other claims:

-I believe that Tar is confirmed town through the whack-a-mole and overall towniness.

-tajo has a role I'm unfamiliar with but it sounds like a really cool inventor. I can believe his role is town.

-veerus' claim sounds like a riff on all the Half-Life themes but I guess it could be real. A big concern is that nothing here can be confirmed now. It's also part killing in a game that already has alot of potential ways to have people killed.

That leaves veerus or Isacc as last scum. I'm going to look over all their posts again next.

Let's see.

Gaping hole in this claim #1: Flavor makes more sense for Big Brother to have this ability instead of Winston Smith - given the rest of the roles, that's a good sign he's actually Big Brother.
Gaping hole in this claim #2: Town should NEVER use this ability, EVER, much less on a dead Mafioso (depriving us of the opportunity to read him for possible connections).

DIE.

(Yes, the massclaim can wait.)

Vote: Jahudo
LOCK ON: Jahudo

[Jahudo]

Gaping hole in this claim #1: Flavor makes more sense for Big Brother to have this ability instead of Winston Smith - given the rest of the roles, that's a good sign he's actually Big Brother.

In the book Winston works for the Ministry of Truth in the Records Department and it is his job to rewrite newspapers by removing "unpersons" from the records.

Big Brother as an entity more more sense as a watcher/tracker type of role. Winston was the one to remove people and he was also the protagonist of the story.

Gaping hole in this claim #2: Town should NEVER use this ability, EVER, much less on a dead Mafioso (depriving us of the opportunity to read him for possible connections).

You can bring it up with malthusis then, because I don't know why it was done on Kinetic or at all. If it was a way to test the power so it could be confirmed later on in a mass claim, then it was successful in that regard but I too wish it could have been used on someone that wasn't scum.

Are you really calling to stop the massclaim when only one person hasn't claimed yet? Isacc needs to claim and we need to think this decision through carefully today. If we mislynch we need backup plans in place for one thing.

[Jahudo]

EBWOP: Big Brother as an entity

makes

more sense as a watcher/tracker....

[Jahudo]

Here is my re-read of Veerus. I will post my re-read of Isacc later tonight and then decide who looks worse.

Suspicious points:

Deals with his inconsistent play with Tar. His reason for initially finding Tar scummy is valid, since veerus had been on Tar’s case for a while. But his reason for thinking Tar is in one scum group, then a different scum group are without reason.

Post 495 : Suggests that Tar is in a different scum group than FL. He says that Tar attacks a different person with nearly every post.

Post 501 : Asks Tar what he thinks about the possibility of multiple scum groups. Keep in mind that Veerus thinks Tar is still in the other scum group. This looks very strange that he would ask this of Tar unless he’s hoping to analyze a response he assumes will be fake.

Post 511 : Believes that Tar is in the same scum group as FL. Doesn’t provide a reason for this change of opinion.

Neutral points:

Post 49 : I don’t not think that he slipped by saying “plus there are safeclaims”. It looks more like an assumption attached to his other assumption in that sentence “that names could be town or scum”.

Post 377 : He votes for FL after she claims scum. Even fellow scum would have to bus at this point so there’s nothing town about the move. Some people said he reacted emotionally when a townsperson should have been happy to find scum, but he does mention that in a mind-screw something bad could happen (presumably to everyone, not just the scum in this case) after a scum claim. I don’t think anything in that post indicates alignment.

Post 413 : Now that we know Tar is town (unless the whack-a-mole was insane? I wouldn’t know.), this is a moot point. I guess FL could have thrown in a red herring purposely. I don’t see her making that kind of slip because somewhere in that 13 word sentence she would have realized she was talking about a QuickTopic and stopped.

Good points:

Post 485 : Thinks through the possibility of trying to lynch an invalid lynch target, which could have ended up hurting town.

Post 563 : Wants FL to claim former scumpartner after she is resurrected.

[Jahudo]

My thoughts on Isacc's play. There's a couple points I want to discuss with people after Isacc claims and answers these questions below. Right now I'm leaning towards Isacc as the last scum.

Suspicious points:

Post 354 : His theory that Tar could be G-man looks very far fetched. Part of Tar’s role is that he can kill someone metal, and Isacc cites G-man’s ability to use cell phones and metal doors as evidence that somehow relates to killing metal things? Using metal things and killing metal things are not the same. Secondly this wasn’t a massclaim stage so there could have been better flavor roles in play to match up with metal. Thirdly, Isacc goes from finding Tar the most town player to vote-worthy just because the theory of Nat as G-man proved false.

Post 361 : He votes FL after she claims scum, which is a null tell because a scumpartner would have to bus in this case. But he also says “I think a scum lynch is an option preferable to

most

others.” He says most others as if there could be a scenario where FL isn’t lynched that day, which feels like purposefully creating doubt on the lynch. Now maybe he is thinking of a way to kill FL and another scum, which is fine, but he doesn’t explain it in this manner.

Post 561 : He is voting Tar for the whack-a-mole but he also says he suspects Tar for speculating. This seems hypocritical coming from Isacc who made a case on Tar based on partial knowledge of the game’s flavor (Post 354).

Neutral point:

Post 395 : I understand Isacc’s reason for voting MafiaSSK here. I agree that it was suspicious for SSK to give just a FoS on FL to prevent “scum from quick hammering”, then only 24 hours and 17 posts later he hammers without saying anything else. It was an inconceivable change of play style to go from so cautious to so reckless when it would have taken mere seconds to count the posts in between for votes.

But, what I don’t understand about Isacc’s case here is his speculation. He believes it was scum bussing in an attempt to wait for a no-lynch? How does that work if he hammered? Wouldn’t his hammer suggest, if anything, a different scum faction looking for townie points? Deadline wasn’t anytime soon so how do you conclude that he was hoping for a no lynch?

Question:

Post 437 : States his reason for voting Tar in thinking he was G-man. Says he thought Nat or Tar was G-man on day 1.

@Isacc: Where did you believe Tar could have been G-man day 1?

Post 517 : Upset that Tar starts a case against veerus in post 515 then says Isacc should be the one to hammer Nat. Tar’s conclusion makes sense because he believes veerus is just a cult recruit while Isacc is a SK and much more dangerous.

Good point:

Post 559 : Wants resurrected FL to reveal former scum partner.

There were some others points where I thought he was pro-actively scumhunting and taking people to task (namely hp-leaves).

[Tarhalindur]

To Jahudo: Winston Smith worked for Big Brother when he removed records of people from history. More specifically, Big Brother said you didn't exist and Winston Smith (and the rest of the Ministry of Peace) did the work necessary to carry that out.

Also - thinking on it, for some reason I remember Winston Smith being Mafia in Nat's semi-open 1984 setup, so even if you're lying that might just be a scum role name.

Finally, the bigger point against your claim (how it can be a town ability at all) just doesn't add up to me. It's roughly the equivalent of claiming Brand (the Death Millerizing Ultimate in Mind Screw 3), in my opinion.

Of course, none of this matters at all, because as long as poptajo is town we DO have a town autowin here.

Step 1: We lynch Jahudo today, since his predecessors' inactivity is, by my read, the most likely explanation for the lack of Mafia kills the last few days, and (more importantly) dealing with him now lets us deal with any shenanigans that might result from killing him (say, Kinetic getting revived as a player somehow).

Step 2: I block Isacc today and no other town players (ESPECIALLY poptajo) use an ability).

- Isacc should not be able to kill, courtesy of me roleblocking him.
- Veerus, should he be scum, confirms himself as scum by killing (since Jahudo is dead, Isacc is blocked and thus can't be killed, and both myself and poptajo are all-but-confirmed)

The key consideration here is numbers: Even if veerus successfully kills, we enter Day 7 with 3 alive and a confirmed scum (veerus). The only way we can possibly lose here is if a second kill somehow occurs - and since all neutrals are dead, other townies won't be using abilities, and I know that my own ability does not kill Isacc (since I blocked him Day 2), this all-but-guarantees that the only killing ability that can successfully resolve is the Mafia kill.

Step 3: If Jahudo is Mafia and no shenanigans occured, we win. If shenanigans occured from the Jahudo lynch (read: if for any reason Jahudo is revealed Mafia and the game is not over), lynch Kinetic. Otherwise, lynch veerus (given his claimed Sentry Guns, ensuring the auto-win requires that he be lynched). This is the correct play regardless of whether or not I am alive.

Step 4: If I am dead (or poptajo is dead), the game is over with a veerus-scum lynch. Otherwise, I block Isacc again (once again removing almost all possibility of a Mafia kill).

Step 5: If the game is not yet over, lynch Isacc for the town victory.

This plan only loses under one of three circumstances:
1) Mafia other than Isacc has a bonus kill, or Isacc has a bonus rapidkill
2) Mafia has some way of getting a kill through my roleblock (either an unstoppable kill or my roleblock function being defective - the kill function is proven)
3) Populartajo is Mafia

I consider these circumstances unlikely enough that I am reasonably sure this plan is a town autowin.

[Jahudo]

Finally, the bigger point against your claim (how it can be a town ability at all) just doesn't add up to me. It's roughly the equivalent of claiming Brand (the Death Millerizing Ultimate in Mind Screw 3), in my opinion.

It's a double edged sword. If I use unmaker each day on the lynch target we lose whatever posts they had, but they also cannot return as prinnys later on because they will be "Lost permanently"

Unmaker was used on Kinetic day 2 and Zwets day 3. Since then neither have returned and Zwet is listed as "Zwetzenwhatsit" in the Lost Permanently barrel because I presume he cannot be fully removed from the game without mod powers.

But if you're all gun-ho about this plan then it doesn't really matter who goes first. I don't see any flaw occuring and if you don't think 1) or 2) would fit in this setup then you're probably right. I think pop is town too, although he's a very lurky alpaca.

We should allow Isacc to claim though, don't you think? I have a feeling he's going to slip on something.

[populartajo]

Im not a lurky alpaca, mr. jackson. Im the dreaming goddess alpaca.
please, apologize.

tar, so you dont want me using any ability? You have no idea if any of these abilities can be helpful to town?

[veerus]

Tar, you forgot the part where you and I can't be NK'd. I'll go with your read on Jahudo's claim.

vote: Jahudo

[populartajo]

Tar, you forgot the part where you and I can't be NK'd. I'll go with your read on Jahudo's claim.

vote: Jahudo

why cant you be nked?