Mini 768- Root of All Evil (Game Over)

[PJ.]

@Verbosity: I'm exetremely sensitive as you know, I believe I have an idea who you are...James

@Thadmiral: He OBVIOUSLY isn't gonna do that kill unless it's me or AZ. In other words he is only gonna OMGUSing the people who have been most vocal about his bullshit claim. I never said that he wasn't NKable, I said that non-NKable roles are broken. I was given an example of how a simple role is broken as further evidence that whatever mess that Gateway's claim has turned into. He is obviouslty lying about what I've been saying forcing the fact that me only knowing him for a couple days actually means something when he posted his experiance in a different game but avoiding the answer her. Simply, Gateway is obviously scum and SekinJ could easily be either his partner or a paranoid townie, but either of those can wait until tomorrow.

I'm not voting SekinJ today. Gateway is the obviously play and I am ashamed of all of you for letting someone so clumsily manipulative and obviously spindoctoring my words get away with it.

[Verbosity]

I am choosing to allow Gateway to continue processing oxygen on the proviso that he continues to turn up corpses for us.

[ThAdmiral]

If I get no name that has been suspect to me I will just report both in the morning

No, you'd have to choose to kill.

ThAdmiral: Hi.

Hi. How are you going?

haven't read past page 11. Will do tomorrow.

[PJ.]

Dude, I don't trust gateway, he has basically spin-doctered everything I've said.

[Gateway]

No. I gave you a chance though. Where is this extensive experience I have?

You say me avoiding the questions are scummy, but you have been avoiding the very basis of your very first accusation against me.

So without going into some long accusation again in hopes we forget the question.

Where is this plenty of experience I have that you can talk about. I don't want to hear modkill excuses either. You can say plenty of games without naming a single game.

[PJ.]

Plenty, I played weekly on my mud forum and here once years ago.

And you got me modkilled you fucking dick, but there is your proof.

[PJ.]

EBWOP:I expect gateway to be lynched now.

[Spolium]

The sekinj case looks interesting. I intend

Okay, I think that Gateway is an independent

and sekinj is scum hoping to capitalize on Gateway's messed up claim

It's interesting that you should say that - I've been flirting with the idea of Gateway being an SK for a few pages now. Points of interest are:

- He's said that he can be lynched in the event that he doesn't kill/name scum, implying that he has reason to target scum
- He's seemed eager to go down the route of actively killing someone, instead of presenting the names D2 (which would stand out, if his was the only kill)
- He has focused solely on individuals who have voted him, which makes sense if he is SK

The last one in particular stands out to me - he could be all but certain that mafia were taking advantage of the attention on him, increasing the chances of hitting one on a kill and "proving" himself. Also, the back-and-forth over his experience leads me to think he may be more liable to chance a gambit than people think, especially if he's put himself in a bad position by mistake.

The only thing which seems to stand against this is his willingness to be lynched D2 if his kill target is town; however, he also seems

very

certain that he's found scum.

My main concern is that we could spend at least today and tomorrow chasing our tails and trying to figure him out before realising he isn't even scum. Thoughts on this?

[Spolium]

EBWOP:

The sekinj case looks interesting. I intend

to read into that further.

[PJ.]

I believe Gateway should be lynched and stop distracted the town with his BS claim and his retarded actions.

[Archon]

Vote: Panzerjager

For all the reasons I have restated countless times.

Gateway, we need to go up against Sejink. If you don't vote for him, it is a given that you will die today. at least when you vote Sekinj, you will have a better chance of someone changing their vote to go for him, and not you.

[Archon]

testing, 12345

IDK if you can read this, but the game hates me. I also have something imposrtantg to say. sorry for the blank posts

[Archon]

You have no idea how sorry I am for so many stupid posts. I found out that the game didn't like a url I had in a post, and would just delete the entire post. SO SORRY!

Okay, this is what I was trying to say. apparently, the game no longewtrf likes quotes. so treat each line of dashes as a quote.

---------------------- of me

What the hell... Something on this server does not like me.

---------------------- of me

What? What happened to the rest of my post...?

Whoops, found it. I forgot to collaborate the two posts into one.

---------------------- of Jazz
---------------------- of Gateway

To Jazz. Again that -morph- everyone is talking about is because I thought you were modkilled for breaking character and naming the specifics of your role. So I tried to explain them in theme.

And most importantly please read this.

You say I changed my claim. No I said I get two people, one possible scum.
The second time I said two names and one is scum.
They are they exact same thing.

---------------------- end of Gateway

No, Gateway, these two things do not mean the same thing at all. That is precisely the problem. One is plausible, the other is not.

Regards,
Jazz

---------------------- end of Jazz

Both those posts MEAN exactly the same thing, although they are worded differently. I don't know where you learned english, but something is wrong with your wernicke's area.

Yeah, so I think we should vote for the cat in the clouds. (AKA Sekinj)

---------------------- end of me

...Is what I meant to say. I you can see, I tried to submit this twice now.

---------------------- end of me

I hope this gets through.

[sekinj]

Man, there's some good siggy quote lately

[Spolium]

Right, here's my stance on the Gateway case vs. the sekinj case.

sekinj's interactions with Gateway are undeniably suspicious, particularly the passive defence. I can see them remaining suspicious whichever way Gateway flips;

- if he's town, then she could be taking advantage of being the one who defended him
- if he's scum, then she will look good (though a bus at this stage would be ballsy for a small scum team)
- if he's a third party, she would probably look neutral at worst

I find her reverse argument from popularity in #265 notable since she seems to ignore the actual reasons for people leaning towards Gateway. She has not defended herself from the suspicion highlighted by other players as far as I can see, either. I'm taking these to be null tells however, as I'm not sure what to make of them.

I see sekinj as a reasonable lynch choice but my preferred candidate is Gateway, by a long shot. I've covered my reasons for this at length, but the crux of it is this: I would rather take out the most likely scum on D1. This puts scum at an immediate disadvantage (increasing pressure and thus the chance of a slip-up) and the chance to nail a scum power role is too good to pass up, especially with a novel role mechanic floating around.

There is arguably more to be gained from Gateway's lynch in terms of analysing D1 interactions as well, and although the potential gain from sparing Gateway surpasses that of sekinj (so far as we know), it's not enough to justify taking my vote off him. His claimed role is too outlandish/powerful, he's frittered to and fro with vague explanations of his role, the potential damage which he could cause as an anti-town role is significant and he has been misleading about his experience to the point that Panzer committed a modkillable rule breach out of sheer frustration.








Oh, and just

one

more thing. [/columbo]

I have noticed something of interest in the OP:

Was it Maltz, the Army Vet?

This seems to be

vaguely

in line with at least part of Gateway's skittish claim. The question is, did scum-Gateway use this as a basis for a fakeclaim?

[sekinj]

vote: Archon

for trashing the thread.

[sekinj]

I also find it very hard to believe these people who think I am suspicious, but can't actually make much of a case against me, and won't actually vote me.

[PJ.]

vote: Archon

for trashing the thread.

You convinced me,

Unvote: Vote: SekinJ

[MafiaSSK]

EBWOP:I expect gateway to be lynched now.

QFT

[MafiaSSK]

vote: Archon

for trashing the thread.

You convinced me,

Unvote: Vote: SekinJ

Why this vote after my last quote of you?

[sekinj]

@ssk - maybe he has come to his senses.

[sekinj]

I'm only at L-2, so I dont' knwo what the big deal is. Gateway was L-1 and nevery actually got lynched, so I'm starting to wonder if we are going to lynch ANYONE today...

unvote, vote: no lynch

[PJ.]

I'm only at L-2, so I dont' knwo what the big deal is. Gateway was L-1 and nevery actually got lynched, so I'm starting to wonder if we are going to lynch ANYONE today...

unvote, vote: no lynch

Lol, that is a sad half-assed attempt to..OMG...I'm not comfortable with this lynch. SekinJ wants us to lynch her, that means something

Unvote:Vote Gateway

@SSK: I voted her because there was no reason she should of voted Archon. Threadshitting is not scummy especially when done by accident. To me, the vote seemed like a halfassed attempt to save her buddy gateway, but now with the no vote either it's just a really bad gambit or she's jester.

[sekinj]

dang it. IT MEANS I BELEIVE GATEWAY AND WOUDL RATHER LYNCH MYSELF IN ORDER TO GIVE HIM A SHOT TONIGHT!!

[Battousai]

Vote Count

Gateway

- 6 (Azhrei, Molestargazer, MafiaSSK, Spolium, Panzerjager)

sekinj

- 4 (Verbosity, Archon, Jazzmyn, Chiefskye4)

Panzerjager

- 1 (Gateway)

No Lynch

- 1 sekinj

Not Voting

: ThAdmiral

It takes 7 to lynch!

Apparently someone likes to change their vote when I post the vote count. Edited to show for that miss.