Dichotomafia- Games Over

[Mastermind of Sin]

Until I can be replaced:

Unovte: STD

I agree with SpeedyKQ. He doesn't even attempt to find logic for his vote, just blindly places it while we're facing a deadline, where a lynch is only one more than what they have on him now.

vote: ralphm

and

FOS: Tally

for not seeing this when it happened. In the face of a deadline, votes like that need to be questioned, and I for one want to hear and explanation from ralphm.

[Mastermind of Sin]

huh, I definitely quoted this instead of what it said I quoted...

(following Talitha) Vote: SpeedyKQ

[Fishbulb]

Deadline in two days...

Well, something needs to happen, even if I'm not sure what.

Vote: ralphmerridew

Unfortunately I don't really have much reason to suspect he's scum, but if it's between him or SpeedyKQ (previously MMCL), then I have the feeling he's the better target.

[ralphmerridew]

With the deadline approaching, I'd rather not dilly-dally. Don't vote for me. I'm a mason.

[Talitha]

unvote: speedy, vote: Fishbulb

It's the day one lynch bait all over again.

[Norinel]

24 hours, give or take a little bit. Activity spike is good, but I think it's of the sort that'd go away without a deadline.

Vote Count:

ralphmerridew- 3 (SpeedyKQ, Mastermind of Sin, Fishbulb)
SpeedyKQ- 1 (ralphmerridew)
Mastermind of Sin- 1 (PeaceBringer)
Save The Dragons- 1 (Mgm)
Fishbulb- 1 (Talitha)

Not voting (4): Save The Dragons, silgado106, NanookTheWolf, the silent speaker

6 to lynch, 3 at deadline.

Remember: If there's a tie at deadline, the first person to reach that number of votes (Or higher, in case the reason they're there was that someone unvoted) is lynched.

[Mgm]

Could you guys unvote ralphm. I hate to no-lynch, but I'd hate to lose a mason even more.

[ralphmerridew]

Unvote: Speedy, Vote: Fishbulb

See his post 763:

Why am I being prodded? I just posted last page. Everyone just posting to complain about others not posting is just as bad as not posting. At least add some content if you're going to do that.

Oh well, I don't see Coron as scum. I find it more likely that all the scum are already on his bandwagon, hence the lack of discussion. They don't want to change the subject, and the rest of us have nothing to go on.

I guess at this stage, it would be best to just lynch him so we can move on. But like he said, why get rid of an active player just to move the game along? Why not get rid of an inactive so at least we will have a better chance at continuing tomorrow?

Fishbulb is voting for me now, there's a vote on him now, and he was specifically against lynching scum Coron. It's not much, but lynching a mason is bad, and the best way to avoid my deadline lynch is starting a counterbandwagon, and he's the best target.

[the silent speaker]

Vote: Fishbulb

to help protect the mason.

[SpeedyKQ]

Is it proper strategy to accept a mason claim without expecting the partner to come forward and confirm? I thought the advantage of the mason role lies with the ability of one partner to vouch for the other.

I also question whether a mason-like role would have a different name in the village.

[ralphmerridew]

If the game is large enough for a mason lodge, and the claim is not challenged by another person also claiming mason, the town generally does accept the claim, at least temporarily, without corroboration. Scum generally don't claim mason because it's too risky.

If numbers close up enough later without producing another mason, the town
may ask for some confirmation.


That is, for now, I'd rather not give the werewolves any more information than necessary.

[Mastermind of Sin]

unvote

not ready to vote for Fishbulb just yet, since there isn't much reason that I can see other than to stop the ralphm wagon.

[SpeedyKQ]

Unvote ralphmerridew

, reluctantly. I'll switch back to my previous choice.

Vote Save The Dragons.

[ralphmerridew]

Reluctantly?

FOS: Speedy

[Fishbulb]

Hmm... Well, I don't really have anything else to do but:

Unvote: ralphmerridew
Vote: Save The Dragons

I didn't think he was scum, but since it is down to him or me, I

know

I'm not.

[SpeedyKQ]

Reluctantly?

FOS: Speedy

I'm still not really convinced that the town is handling the mason claim correctly, but many other players think we should back off for now, so I'm willing to go along with it, for at least the short term.

[the silent speaker]

That FOS is really a little much, ralph. You suspect him, and there's no law that says he can't suspect you.

[ralphmerridew]

Why towns generally take mason claims with out corroboration:

- Assuming there's one mason group, any scum who claims mason will get challenged by a member of the lodge.
- Scum don't benefit that much from IDing a mason. (In strongly themed games, scum may claim roles which are sure to exist, like Sherlock Holmes, because they benefit from learning who holds that role.)
- If a person has an uncorroborated and unchallenge mason claim, his/her hands are tied. When the town shrinks to a small size without revealing any masons, the town then asks the claimant to identify a fellow member. A real mason can identify his lodge, a lying scum will have to identify fellow scum, or get denounced by whoever he claims is in his group.

Therefore, once a scum makes that claim, an eventual lynch is inevitable.

A fake claim of mason is bad if there are masons, and gains little even in the best case. As a result, towns generally accept mason claims. (See Rock & Pop 2 on GL, where mason Dan was forced into a claim early on, but did not identify either buddy until the endgame.)

(And I'm feeling better; cancel the search for replacement.)

[ralphmerridew]

Why towns generally take mason claims with out corroboration:

- Assuming there's one mason group, any scum who claims mason will get challenged by a member of the lodge.
- Scum don't benefit that much from IDing a mason. (In strongly themed games, scum may claim roles which are sure to exist, like Sherlock Holmes, because they benefit from learning who holds that role.)
- If a person has an uncorroborated and unchallenge mason claim, his/her hands are tied. When the town shrinks to a small size without revealing any masons, the town then asks the claimant to identify a fellow member. A real mason can identify his lodge, a lying scum will have to identify fellow scum, or get denounced by whoever he claims is in his group.

Therefore, once a scum makes that claim, an eventual lynch is inevitable.

A fake claim of mason is bad if there are masons, and gains little even in the best case. As a result, towns generally accept mason claims. (See Rock & Pop 2 on GL, where mason Dan was forced into a claim early on, but did not identify either buddy until the endgame.)

(And I'm feeling better; cancel the search for replacement.)

[PeaceBringer]

well looking this over not sure about Speedy's reactions and it is enough for me to cast my vote-

unvote, vote speedy

[Norinel]

Well, the deadline passed about 7.5 hours ago, although technical difficulties prevented me from getting on sooner. Sorry about that. All posts/votes (rm's 913 was the last) and PMs after the deadline have been disregarded.

End of Day Vote Count:

Fishbulb- 3 (Talitha, ralphmerridew, the silent speaker)
Save The Dragons- 2 (Mgm, SpeedyKQ)
alphmerridew- 1 (Fishbulb)
Mastermind of Sin- 1 (PeaceBringer)

Not voting (4): Save The Dragons, silgado106, Mastermind of Sin, NanookTheWolf

6 to lynch, 3 at deadline.

Village Day 3/Town Night 4:

As another long day passes, the tension mounts and shifts like volcanic pressure: rather slowly. With the approaching sunset, things begin to move a little more quickly; the village's attention turns towards Save The Dragons, then on ralphmerridew. The latter in turn, even as the sun is setting, claims his defense in allegiance to an ancient mason lodge, directing his own suspicions at Fishbulb. Somehow, he gets just enough support at the last minute to put Fishbulb in harm's way instead of himself...

...and the normal rope fails where yesterday's silver again succeeds. By the mysteriously missing livestock brought to his home, it appears Fishbulb led the pack instead of merely being a part of it.

Fishbulb (Alpha) - lynched Day 3 by the Village.

It is now Night 4 in the Village, send choices by the end of the Town's day.

(Alpha = Godfather)

The town awakens, wondering how long their (Combined with the village) spree of lynching the leaders of the groups that've tormented them can continue. One thing they don't wonder about for long is who died in the previous night; a head count reveals Wacky as the missing one. He's found in his house on the outskirts of town, surrounded by boxes that would never be unpacked.

Wacky (Outsider) - shot Night 4 in the Town.

It is now Day 4 in the Town, 6 to lynch.

(Outsider is a slightly simplified form of the role I used in Mini 73; basically a rolename investigator who'd appear guilty to investigations)

As another sidenote, this explains why I've had such a dire replacement situation; it took six full game Days and many months, and we're finally down to fifteen players in the game.

Activity spike is good, but I think it's of the sort that'd go away without a deadline.

Please prove me wrong. Courtesy prods going out to everyone alive in the Town but not the Village.

[ralphmerridew]

Vote: STD

Explain yourself.

[Fuldu]

I'm sorry ralphm, you're going to need to be more specific than that. I can't for the life of me remember what happened yesterday and, while I will be going back and rereading, it's going to take some time. Help out those of us who basically turn this game off during the times when we're dead by asking slightly more informative questions.

[PeaceBringer]

heck I couldn't remember if I blocked anyone and didn't see any pm to the mod.

[Save The Dragons]

Well, I'm Jeff, I have a twin, I'm a vegetarian, I like animals, I play videogames...oh...

Would you like me to explain anything specific? Here's day by day.

Day 1: Lynched Tally because I believed either MMCL or her was scum by thier confrontation.

I wanted to lynch MMCL on day one because I thought it was more likely he was scum.

Day 2: Lynched MMCL because I believed either Tally was scum by thier confrontation.

Day 3: Who knows. Who remembers. Oh yeah, we did one of those...slow...wait so that everyone piles votes on the person just to move things along days. I didn't particularly like this style of play, but I can't say I'm sad to see the godfather die.

And I am different between games. I'm different between RL days. I change drastically depending on mood; my emotions get the better of me. As you might have been able to tell, I was kind of an ass while claiming. Today I'm more likely to continue that asshole-ishness if this persists. If you want to see differences, there are many times when I've headered my posts with, "sorry if this sounds harsh, but..." and lots of s. And that's Me 101.