Mini 738: The Town of Merrin - Game Over

[PJ.]

Panz, there's no point playing on the assumption SL will shoot herself. Do me or BB.

Would you please answer my question, and explain why you refuse to see why SL shooting herself is the best possible plan?

^5

[GIEFF]

Behind-the-back ^5

[Xtoxm]

I'm not saying it's not the best plan. Tbh I think it's the same either way. But that's not the point. I'm not shooting myself, i'm killing who I think is scum. So same applies to SL.

[GIEFF]

If Dour/Sens are lynched/shot by SL tonight, we are going to lynch SL no matter what tomorrow, right? To avoid a SK-maf lylo endgame?

[mykonian]

I'm not saying it's not the best plan. Tbh I think it's the same either way. But that's not the point. I'm not shooting myself, i'm killing who I think is scum. So same applies to SL.

you are confusing me.

[Xtoxm]

I intend for SL to be lynched tomorrow if the game is not over, yes.

I've told you Gieff, i'm not changing my stance on this. If I did it wouldn't matter anyway, cos she's not.

Can just hurry up and end this day.

[GIEFF]

This makes absolutely no sense, Xtoxm. If SL dies tomorrow anyway, why not just have her die tonight? It confirms her as vig, and let's us make the choice for the third kill with a LOT more information than we have now. It ALSO avoids the possibility of SL fake-claiming someone is NK-immune, or someon ACTUALLY being NK-immune.

This plan isn't just a little bit better, it's a lot better, and is SL was town, she'd realize that.

And I don't know why you are being so stubborn.

[SensFan]

This makes absolutely no sense, Xtoxm. If SL dies tomorrow anyway, why not just have her die tonight? It confirms her as vig, and let's us make the choice for the third kill with a LOT more information than we have now. It ALSO avoids the possibility of SL fake-claiming someone is NK-immune, or someon ACTUALLY being NK-immune.

This plan isn't just a little bit better, it's a lot better, and is SL was town, she'd realize that.

And I don't know why you are being so stubborn.

This is by far the best plan.
SLSK (obviously) won't comply with said plan.
SLVig seems too stubborn and egotistical to comply with said plan.

[Xtoxm]

Gieff I am not continuing this argument with you.

It has been established she is not killing herself, so can we just get a move on.

[SensFan]

It has been established she is not killing herself, so can we just get a move on.

If "it had been established" that I was going to speak nothing but Russian, would you want to "get a move on"? I quite think its better to spend every second of this day trying to convince her to kill herself, it that's how long it takes.

[GIEFF]

It has NOT been established that she is not killing herself. You and SL have just said that you refuse to consider it, even though it is the best plan. You do not get to establish things for the town - we discuss them, and come to consensus.

I explained to SL why it was NOT wasting her kill, as it freed up the town's lynch tomorrow, which is more likely to go through (no NK-immune problems), and which will be better-informed (due to using information from tonight). SL has not responded.

[Xtoxm]

I have nothing to do with it. SL has said she's not, and SL is the only one with any control over it. Thus it is established.

[GIEFF]

If SL refuses to agree to do what is best for the town, she should get lynched today.

[mykonian]

can SL say that herself?

[GIEFF]

can SL say that herself?

If I refuse to agree to do what is best for the town, I should get lynched today.

[Xtoxm]

No, because using her kill is better than lynching her today.

Anyway, the solution here is for SL to lie and say she's going to kill herself.

[SensFan]

No, because using her kill is better than lynching her today.

Anyway, the solution here is for SL to lie and say she's going to kill herself.

Xtoxm, from what I know, you're at least a semi-decent player. Start acting like it.

[GIEFF]

No, because using her kill is better than lynching her today.

Anyway, the solution here is for SL to lie and say she's going to kill herself.

If she is SK, and knows she will get lynched tomorrow no matter what, what possible incentive would she have to kill who the town tells her to kill?

[kloud1516]

Bump

[Beyond_Birthday]

(Repeated since people ignored it. Also, Serial killers usually come up neutral. I've never heard of a antimiller sk, but that isn't impossible, I guess.)
Game solved:
Day 3
BB Tracker
Xtoxm Doctor
mykonian Deputy
Panzerjager Cop
springlullaby Vigilante
SensFan VT
GIEFF VT
Dour VT <--Lynch

Night 3
BB Tracker Tracks a VT (Gieff in example)
Xtoxm Doctor Protects Cop
mykonian Deputy (is shot, dies)
Panzerjager Cop (investigates tracker)
springlullaby Vigilante shoots mykonian
SensFan VT
GIEFF VT is tracked

Day 4

Possibility one:
Doc is killed:

Remaining:

Tracker
Cop
Vig
Vt
Vt

Vig is cleared, one VT is condemned/cleared, thus the obvious is:
Lynch uncleared VT, vig shoots cop. (Assumes tracker is town. However, I think that when the people who I've said went no where actually went no where, I can say that I'm cleared... *laughs* seriously though, to me this is won.)

Possibility 2: Tracker dies

Doc
Cop
Vig
VT
VT (lynched, unless vig is guilty by cop. If cop lies, we win as cop is mafia)
--> Night 4:
Doc protects Cop, Cop investigates VT, vig does nothing, and game is won. Whoever mafia kills is either vig or the doc. If Cop dies, doc is mafia. If vig dies, most likely, cop will hav necessary guilty on "VT" to win game, or innocent to prove the doc is lying.

Also, mafia can't just do nothing because then town will do nothing and gain investigations as cop slowly clears people or finds the guilty. If cop is mafia and we lose two peole to tomorrow (myk and Dour) we have 6 people, thus Cop cannot be mafia finding a false guilty without losing. Game's over in my book.

Also: It would be better to lynch SL if you are all so worried about her non compliance with your plans. I may be wrong, but to me, she's cleared...

[SensFan]

How the hell do you see SL as being confirmed?

[GIEFF]

B_B, you said that if SL kills mykonian, that clears her? How?

springlullaby Vigilante (Odds of SK: 50%)

Also, in the possibility where the tracker dies, you talk about the vig being potentially cleared by the cop. Once again, the vig was already investigated by the cop. The result was innocent. I feel this has no bearing on whether or not SL is SK or vig.


And as Xtoxm said, we have to lynch SL tomorrow no matter what. Any plan that allows a possible SK to live to the endgame is not a good one.


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springlullaby shooting herself is the correct play here, and until she explains to me why it is not:

unvote

vote: springlullaby

[springlullaby]

Man, you guys are getting more and more ridiculous.

I've already said I'll do whatever 2 posts back.

TAKE A BLOODY DECISION BUT DO IT QUICK I M VLA 6 TO 17 APRIL.

[PJ.]

k.. SL shoots herself then, let's lynch dour.

[mykonian]

k.. SL shoots herself then, let's lynch dour.

ok,

unvote, vote Dourgrim