Good Omens Mafia! Game Over.

[Fuldu]

unvote, vote: gaspode

I'll just vote the one that has more votes from gaspode and coron... and I don't like lynching someone while they are gone when they repeatedly said so. Gaspode, on the other hand, seems a bit quiet since we "switched" to coron.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Stewie, but I think Coron has more votes than Gaspode. The other part of the argument I don't have a problem with, but the first part seems factually inaccurate.

[Seol]

unvote, vote: gaspode

I'll just vote the one that has more votes from gaspode and coron... and I don't like lynching someone while they are gone when they repeatedly said so. Gaspode, on the other hand, seems a bit quiet since we "switched" to coron.

To me, it feels like Coron is stalling. He's apparently waiting for confirmation of how much he can claim, but has no other defence in the meantime. The amount of claiming available seems pretty clear to me in the rules on page 1.

Gaspode's quietness does concern me a bit, but I still think Coron's the best bet right now.

[Stewie]

Oh, yeah, I miscounted votes.

unvote: gaspode, vote: coron

but

fos: gaspode

for his lurkiness.

That should be 10 for coron and 9 for gaspode, so I'll vote for gaspode if he gets one more vote or something.

[Dragon Slayer]

Deadline postponed to help Coron with his question.

[PeaceBringer]

unvote, vote: gaspode

I'll just vote the one that has more votes from gaspode and coron... and I don't like lynching someone while they are gone when they repeatedly said so. Gaspode, on the other hand, seems a bit quiet since we "switched" to coron.

To me, it feels like Coron is stalling. He's apparently waiting for confirmation of how much he can claim, but has no other defence in the meantime. The amount of claiming available seems pretty clear to me in the rules on page 1.

Gaspode's quietness does concern me a bit, but I still think Coron's the best bet right now.

Hmm

FOS Soel

for that comment- may well be worth voting this gentleman at some point.

[Seol]

To me, it feels like Coron is stalling. He's apparently waiting for confirmation of how much he can claim, but has no other defence in the meantime. The amount of claiming available seems pretty clear to me in the rules on page 1.

Gaspode's quietness does concern me a bit, but I still think Coron's the best bet right now.

Hmm

FOS Soel

for that comment- may well be worth voting this gentleman at some point.

Care to elaborate? Coron's not had anything new to add in his defence in a good few days, but keeps saying "don't lynch me until I claim" in a game

designed to not feature roleclaims?

It feels to me like he's trying to buy time so he doesn't have to

say

anything until he's going away, when his absence is pre-explained. Either that, or he actually has nothing to say.

[mith]

Over my cold, and finally have a bit of a break. Very tired though.

Not much new to comment on, other than that given that the mods haven't been around that much I'm inclined to think Coron was actually waiting for an answer as opposed to just stalling for no reason. Doesn't affect where my vote will be, though. Coron is far more suspicious than Gaspode IMO.

[rolandofthewhite]

Coron is intrinsically suspicious, though. He can't help it.

[korais666]

Sorry about continued delays, final projects in 3 different classes due, meaning about 8 seconds of internet time per day. I'll be able to be more involved after that's over.

[Aelyn]

Coron, it states in the rules that you can describe the basic concept behind your role, but can't go into detail.

For example, "I'm an investigative role" is fine, but "I'm a Witchfinder, each night I can investigate someone and find out if they're a demon" is NOT. As I interpret the rules.

[Stewie]

I think that you can give a bit more than that. Saying that you can tell whether someone is scum or not (for the example you gave) would be fine. Basically anything that could give away your role is not ok. Of course, better safe than sorry, but that's my take on it. Besides, Coron may have a complicated role. At least now we know for sure that he isn't just stalling for no reason, and that he's actually waiting for some sort of answer. This does not mean he's town, but just that he's not lying about waiting for an answer.

[Seol]

At least now we know for sure that he isn't just stalling for no reason, and that he's actually waiting for some sort of answer. This does not mean he's town, but just that he's not lying about waiting for an answer.

Just to clarify, I did believe that he was asking the mods for what he could claim. What I was criticising him for was having nothing

else

to say, or so it seemed, and also choosing to rely on roleclaims for a defence in a game where we don't really

learn

anything from roleclaims - the game's too big for counterclaims to mean anything, and he's not allowed to give enough detail for us to hope to catch him in a lie.

The rules of this game of Mafia are different - the approach being taken to roleclaiming here means that it's not really a valid day one defence strategy - well, at least that's my opinion - so when I see him relying on it, and furthermore waiting for mod permission first (taking a good few days) that'll probably run into the time he's told us he'll be away (another few days) I get the feeling that he's trying to get a situation where we won't lynch him in his absence, but he's taking so long to return we look elsewhere.

So, I think he's telling the truth, but I also think he's stalling.

[mith]

Shouldn't Coron be back? Bored now.

[Dragon Slayer]

He should be...

Deadline set for Tuesday 8PM (-5gmt)

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-DS

[Coron]

We got back like 1 1/2 hours late and I was pretty exausted so I went to sleep. I woke up this morning went to church then logged on. Seriously people.
First off I'm a mason. Secondly I can give you the name of the mason if nessisary(the point I needed clarified).

[Seol]

We got back like 1 1/2 hours late and I was pretty exausted so I went to sleep. I woke up this morning went to church then logged on. Seriously people.

I think that was just general boredom/frustration - the game's kinda stalled whilst we waited for you. But you're back now!

First off I'm a mason. Secondly I can give you the name of the mason if nessisary(the point I needed clarified).

I presume you mean name the person you're a mason with? It's only a two-person group?

Would you say your role name, if you were to die, is one that could confuse us about your alignment?

It may be worth revealing the other mason,

if

your role name is one that's particularly likely to be town and makes sense as a mason. Seeing as we don't get role descriptions when people die, we can't necessarily rely on intertwined roleclaims giving us a confirmed townie situation later - if your role name

is

convincing (and I'm not asking you to

claim

, just use your judgement - how reliably "good" is the name?) then you're in a much better situation. I don't see the mason role itself as powerful, so the only way this buys you any grace is if we can get some corroboration.

After all, if you

don't

reveal them, and the town decides that's not good enough and lynches you, then that co-mason is effectively a vanilla townie - even given a situation where you name them and we lynch you anyway we've got a confirmed vanilla. Plus, I don't see what

harm

naming them could do.

[mepmuff]

Plus, I don't see what harm naming them could do.

Really? You can't? We've got multiple bad guy groups. If they gain knowledge which can help them to stay clear of vanilla's or the other groups, that would help them immensely I would say.

[Seol]

Plus, I don't see what harm naming them could do.

Really? You can't? We've got multiple bad guy groups. If they gain knowledge which can help them to stay clear of vanilla's or the other groups, that would help them immensely I would say.

With the number of players we have here -

28

still alive - revealing one extra townie isn't going to make much difference to the odds of hitting a power role. If we're in a situation where another member of a scum group is revealed for backup, then we'll get both of them without much difficulty. Basically, yes, it will

marginally

assist the scum to have another vanilla revealed, but it's more than offset by the improved quality of our lynch today.

Or at least, it seems that way to me.

[Stewie]

Any extraabilities? Any restrictions? Anything else we should know?

[Locus Cosecant]

Well, with an impending deadline, it seems to me that the best course of action is for him to claim his mason buddy... that's the only way I can see this being deflected in time, especially given that mason's far from a strong claim without confirmation.

[Aelyn]

Agreed. If he's a mason, I think the best course of action at this point is for him to provide as much information as he can. If he is what he claims, then we'll have a confirmed townie on our hands, even if we do end up lynching him. It's not as good as a confirmed group of two, even without knowing the alignment of the two, but it's better than nothing.

Oh, and one other thing. Coron, you say you're a Mason. As far as you're aware, could you be a part of the mason group that could recruit Homer?

[Fuldu]

Oh, and one other thing. Coron, you say you're a Mason. As far as you're aware, could you be a part of the mason group that could recruit Homer?

Erm, wrong game Aelyn.

With a deadline approaching, my vote on Pooky isn't going to go anywhere, and I think Coron can be caught out on a subsequent day if it turns out he isn't telling the truth, so

vote: Gaspode

. He hasn't done much to deflect the bandwagon on him, even though it's lasted longer than the one on Coron.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ok I haven't read the book at all, but looking at the front page, it doesn't seem to show alignment upon death so how good is a mason claim anyway?

Like how would you know which group is evil and which is good? Are the THEM good?

[mepmuff]

Like how would you know which group is evil and which is good?

Uhmnmm... read the book?

Are the THEM good?

Very very likely: yes. In the book they are a bunch of kids getting up to no good (normal kids misbehaviour), led by their leader adam (an antichrist, switched at birth, with great powers). In the end they turn out to do the right thing.

[Thoth]

Hehe, that looked funny:

Are the THEM good?
Yes, they're a bunch of kids up to no good, led by the AntiChrist.

And then you don't even mention their Hellhound

Of course they are good in the books, but descriptions like this are one of the reasons why I like the book (and most other books by Pratchett)


Back to the game. I don't think Coron should reveal as much as possible. I'm quite willing to buy a mason claim without further proof. Revealing extra information is just more likely to help scum than help the town.