726 - Mind Screw Gaiden, Game Over

[veerus]

see my claim above

[Tarhalindur]

Hold it.

Unvote

(very rare behavior for me after I've Locked On, but I need to think something through)

Need to think over what could happen if scum-veerus redirected my ability...

[Jahudo]

Im not a lurky alpaca, mr. jackson. Im the dreaming goddess alpaca.
please, apologize.

I'm sorry, alpaca macanudo.

tar, so you dont want me using any ability? You have no idea if any of these abilities can be helpful to town?

If we don't know what it will do, it's a risky move that may upset the balance that at this point look like an auto-win.

I wish someone would unvote because Isacc has not claimed yet and he could come in and hammer here without claiming. I feel he more than likely the last scum and either a fake or real claim will help prepare people for tomorrow. Also I have questions for Isacc that need answering.

veerus, do you disagree with my post about you?

I know that veerus said he can't be night killed, but what about Tar?

[Tarhalindur]

Oh, right, never mind.

If veerus is scum, he's the last scum and dies tomorrow regardless (no way out of that for him unless he can end the game first) ending the game in our favor, so a possible redirect overriding my roleblock doesn't matter.

If veerus is town, he doesn't use his redirect on me (because if he's town he wants town to win), so it doesn't matter that way either.

Veerus's claimed redirect does not affect optimal play.

Vote: Jahudo

[Jahudo]

What did you think of my idea that my power could have been used for good to prevent prinnys from ever existing? Doesn't that sound like a town power?

[Tarhalindur]

Im not a lurky alpaca, mr. jackson. Im the dreaming goddess alpaca.
please, apologize.

I'm sorry, alpaca macanudo.

tar, so you dont want me using any ability? You have no idea if any of these abilities can be helpful to town?

If we don't know what it will do, it's a risky move that may upset the balance that at this point look like an auto-win.

I wish someone would unvote because Isacc has not claimed yet and he could come in and hammer here without claiming. I feel he more than likely the last scum and either a fake or real claim will help prepare people for tomorrow. Also I have questions for Isacc that need answering.

veerus, do you disagree with my post about you?

I know that veerus said he can't be night killed, but what about Tar?

Bleh, you might have a point on forcing an Isacc claim. My first thought is that it probably doesn't matter, since a) Isacc softclaimed a role with limited utility D3 (after I claimed blocking him) and b) an inactive Mafioso would be a very, very good thing for us (inactive Mafiosos don't generally use abilities).

Still, I can wait again and think things over, provided that you are lynched immediately should Isacc return and claim.

Unvote

Also, veerus claimed using an archangel ability (makes its target UNK as long as you are alive) on me previously (sometime D5, as I recall).

[Tarhalindur]

What did you think of my idea that my power could have been used for good to prevent prinnys from ever existing? Doesn't that sound like a town power?

Not at that price, no.

Even with Prinnies in the game, I'd say that ability should never be used if it's on a town.

Also, why the HELL are you fighting against an autowin if you're town? It shouldn't matter to you if you're lynched so long as that lynch occurs in the course of a town autowin (see my play in Mafia 75, endgame play in Mafia 68, etc.) because you still win the game with us.

[Tarhalindur]

Actually, let me make this perfectly clear:

Jahudo, unless somebody can show that we need to unconfirm a confirmed player (read: poptajo) or you sincerely believe that Mafia have something like a rapidkill floating around, there is absolutely NO REASON to try to clear yourself. In addition, with your claim there is NO WAY I will ever consider you cleared.

You die today, period. It's just a matter of how long to wait before the lynch.

[Tarhalindur]

Im not a lurky alpaca, mr. jackson. Im the dreaming goddess alpaca.
please, apologize.

tar, so you dont want me using any ability? You have no idea if any of these abilities can be helpful to town?

Not enough of an idea, and since we have an autowin WITHOUT Dreams of Reality I'd rather not take a chance on introducing a spanner into the works with a bad Dreams choice.

[veerus]

/facepalm
If I were scum, would I really claim a redirect that I don't intend to use? Think.

[veerus]

Also, veerus claimed using an archangel ability (makes its target UNK as long as you are alive) on me previously (sometime D5, as I recall).

Actually, since I build "inventions", my role PM does not say anything about them going away if I die.

So if you do convince others to lynch me, I would expect that you'll still have "dispensers" active on you protecting you from NK's, or "kill attempts" as the role PM puts it.

[Jahudo]

Alright you can kill me after Isacc claims. If he's still alive tomorrow you can ask him those questions on my behalf.

I'm just trying to understand what my role was good for, but maybe that's just Nat mind screwing people.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Isacc has been prodded for not posting yet on Day 6.

[Isacc]

Alright, sorry about that. For a few days, I hadn't realized the day had started, and then once I realized, I had been super busy. Now, to current issues.

Roleclaim:

Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir(from Magic the Gathering)

I am the

Town One-Shot Bodyguard

I have 1 active ability,

Flash

which allows me to step in to guard a person of my choice and die in his stead. I used it night 1 on Tarhalindur, to no avail.

I have 1 passive ability, and that's the G-man note.


In response to Tar's plan, I think it's a good idea. If Jah is scum we win, if not, the next day should give enough information for a win.

If anyone has any other specific questions for me, I would ask that they restate them. Once I have answered all questions, I will vote Jah.

[Isacc]

Oh, doublepost sorry.

Does anyone else remember that Winston becomes a good little Ingsoc worshipper at the end of the book? I think this is ample evidence to suspect that Jah could still be anti-town despite the seemingly good-guy-ness of Winston in the story.

[Jahudo]

@Isacc:

Re: Your Post 395 : I understand Isacc’s reason for voting MafiaSSK here. I agree that it was suspicious for SSK to give just a FoS on FL to prevent “scum from quick hammering”, then only 24 hours and 17 posts later he hammers without saying anything else. It was an inconceivable change of play style to go from so cautious to so reckless when it would have taken mere seconds to count the posts in between for votes.

-But why did you say it was scum bussing in an attempt to wait for a no-lynch?
-How does that work if he hammered?
-Wouldn’t his hammer suggest, if anything, a different scum faction looking for townie points?
-Deadline wasn’t anytime soon so how do you conclude that he was hoping for a no lynch?

Re: Your Post 437 : States his reason for voting Tar in thinking he was G-man. Says he thought Nat or Tar was G-man on day 1.

-Where did you believe Tar could have been G-man day 1?

[populartajo]

Jahudo, why do you keep fighting if Tar's plan gives as an autowin even if you are town?

[Tarhalindur]

Isacc's claim fits with his softclaim D3. It's not enough to clear him, but that doesn't matter at this point given the existence of my roleblock.

Jahudo, why do you keep fighting if Tar's plan gives as an autowin even if you are town?

I daresay it's because he's caught scum trying to wriggle his way out of the noose.

Can we lynch him now, please?

Vote: Jahudo

[Isacc]

-But why did you say it was scum bussing in an attempt to wait for a no-lynch?
-How does that work if he hammered?
-Wouldn’t his hammer suggest, if anything, a different scum faction looking for townie points?
-Deadline wasn’t anytime soon so how do you conclude that he was hoping for a no lynch?

The no-lynch thing is because it had just been revealed/reminded that the next lynch would fail.

[Jahudo]

Jahudo, why do you keep fighting if Tar's plan gives as an autowin even if you are town?

I'm just frustrated that I couldn't help more, maybe join earlier so I had something to do after I finished reading. Oh well, good luck.

[Tarhalindur]

Isacc, poptajo - will one of you hammer, please?

[Jahudo]

If nothing's going to save me I might as well hammer. Am I even at L-1?

[populartajo]

Vote : Jahudo

[Jahudo]

I'm a townie. Good luck for the rest of the game.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

21st Vote Count

Tarhalindur():
Populartajo():
Isacc():
veerus():
Jahudo(3): veerus, Tarhalindur, populartajo

FoS Count
Illumina():
Tarhalindur():
Populartajo():
Isacc():
Natirasha():
MafiaSSK():
veerus():
UnofficialRulerofEveryone():
Forbiddanlight():

Jahudo has been lynched! Send me your choices ASAP please.