MKM II GAME OVER

[Shadow Knight]

vote Dubya

I *hated* Bush.

[Shadow Knight]

@Ace- are you saying you're the other one? *grin*

[Shadow Knight]

There have been times I've floated an idea that was odd to say the least just to see what other people's reactions are to it. I don't believe a mass claim would help the town at this time, but just bringing the idea up wasn't scummy.

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-populartajo (4): Gorrad, AceMarksman, qwints, ortolan
-Empking (1): Shinnen_no_Me
-zwetschenwasser (3): populartajo, pacman281292, Empking
-Shinnen_no_Me (1): Riceballtail
-Dubya (1): Shadow Knight
-AceMarksman (2): caf19, zwetschenwasser

Not voting (5): killa seven, Surye, Moratorium, Dubya, Cream147

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[Shadow Knight]

vote Surye

I didn't have any confusion about which side I'm on and it feels like you're trying too hard to find something scummy so soon into this game.

Mod: not counted, unvote first

[Shadow Knight]

How the hell you werent confused about which side when you get "supposedly" a Bowser Army PM?

Because I can read flavor and my role PM and *not* be stupid? The mushroom kingdom is invading us... I am part of bowser's castle... I don't see anyone else's name in my role PM...

[Shadow Knight]

@Gorrad- I think my scumdar just blew up.

he didn't recognise his role, supposedly, as a Mario baddy. Personally, I find that nigh-impossible unless he has a named villain

So if he *had* a named bad guy role, for example "Bowser", you'd believe that he didn't recognize it? I don't know if this is just craplogic or straight up being confused about what you meant to say.

(I find this unlikely due to the deaths of most of said named villains in MKMI, AKA Bowser, Baby Bowser, and Drybones. There aren't many left).

The deaths in MKMI may not carry over to this game (much like Bowser's defeat in Mario 1, didn't mean he couldn't show up again in another Mario game). We may find some of the roles in both games, regardless of whether they survived the first game or not. Not saying I know for sure, but I find it stupid to try and outguess the mod or speculate too much on the setup.

There's a warioware item with no Wario.

Did I miss something? Where does it say there is no Wario in this game? He could be a 3rd party (SK would fit, I think), but again, setup speculation doesn't really help so soon in the game.

[Shadow Knight]

I read my PM. Paused. Read the PM again. Checked the flavor of the game. Went "Ohhh, duh." Total elapsed time: roughly 30 seconds.

[Shadow Knight]

The flavor is posted on page one. How could anyone not know it?

[Shadow Knight]

If you got a role PM that made you confused, would you not PM the mod or read the flavor from the opening posts before running in here and posting something?

[Shadow Knight]

I don't recall saying that confusion = scum. But *causing* confusion is a scummy thing to do. I would say we can possibly confirm 4 people.

[Shadow Knight]

Actually, I did answer. I said we could probably confirm 4 people. I disagree with item quizzing as all it does is out our power roles (or potential power roles).

[Shadow Knight]

@zwet- and the only people who know what they do are the people

who are able to buy them

@Gorrad- my bad, I wasn't thinking of minor named characters. In that, I can see where you're coming from.

[Shadow Knight]

vote AceMarksman

Rolefishing is bad, m'kay?

[Shadow Knight]

And if any of them step forward, the scum know who to target.

[Shadow Knight]

I do not have descriptions.

I also feel that this is a stupid idea and will just narrow down which of us can buy/use items.

[Shadow Knight]

I'm willing to overlook Surye right now and consider it an honest mistake (at least until he does something else I find scummy).

At this point I have a feeling that based on the items available to the players and the way they are grouped, we have 3 anti-town teams. Mushroom Kingdom, DK Crew, and Wario Ware. I copied them from the OP here:

-Mushroom Kingdom only: mushroom, 1-up shroom, fireflower, star
-Bowser’s Castle only: green shell, red shell, poison shroom, bob-omb
-DK crew only: banana, barrel cannon
-WarioWare only: motorcycle

The following is all conjecture, so feel free to post your thoughts if you disagree. I'm only going into the scum items.

I'm guessing that the presence of the fireflower and barrel cannon mean that the scum have to *buy* their ability to kill. I have no idea what the motorcycle could be as I've never played any Wario games. The banana could be a roleblock power (that's all I can think of that a banana would do). The mushroom might make the scum harder to kill (like you had to get hit twice as super mario to die). The 1-up could create some kind of resurrection, so we had better watch the endgame. It would suck if we were at lylo and mario resurrected luigi who got lynched day 2. The only thing I've come up with for the star is invulnerability.

With that said- There are problems with my theory. 3 scum groups is a LOT. Even if its just mario and luigi for the mushroom kingdom, donkey and diddy kong for the DK crew, and wario by himself (like a SK), that's 5 scum and 12 town with 3 kills per night possible, and I don't see how a mod could create a write up that stacked against us.

Again, this was all conjecture and making educated guesses, but I think its important to know what we may be up against.

[Shadow Knight]

@orto- I was following the idea that if one of the town items is rendered useless, then the same might be true of one or more of their items. We might be able to come up with ways to negate their items if we can figure out their function. Fireflowers give mario the ability to kill (although he can jump on most things to kill them). I've played DK Country once or twice at most, but I figured a barrel cannon was kind of self explanatory. Trying to convert the game items to mafia items that are still flavorful is kind of hard, but it may benefit us to make the attempt.

[Shadow Knight]

Because he wants you to take part in his weird plan to give scum info and (possibly) confirm 4 townies.

[Shadow Knight]

I'm here. Just waiting for tajo to finish whatever he's doing so we can continue.

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-Shinnen_no_Me (2): Riceballtail, Surye
-Gorrad (2): Empking, ortolan
-zwetschenwasser (2): Shinnen_no_Me, AceMarksman
-Empking (1): zwetschenwasser
-AceMarksman (1): Shadow Knight
-killa seven (1): qwints
-ortolan (1): populartajo
-Cream147 (1): semioldguy

Not voting (6): killa seven, Moratorium, WeyounsLastClone, Cream147, Gorrad, caf19

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[Shadow Knight]

So to recap:

You've managed to slow down day 1 EVEN FURTHER for a plan that you hadn't even THOUGHT THROUGH?!?!

And you came up with:

Some town have item descriptions.
Some town may not have item descriptions.
Some scum may be lying about having item descriptions.

And you propose to test them by asking yes/no questions about items (giving scum a 50/50 shot at being considered confirmed).

I'm gonna go with no, I'm not playing your little game any more. You held up day 1 with a plan that basically did nothing and will continue to do nothing. You came up with the virtual equivalent of polling 20 people about numbers and coming up with:

Some numbers are even.
Some numbers may not be even.
Some odd numbers may be prime.

Congratu-freaking-lations.

I'm actually fighting the urge to vote you right now. The only saving grace is that I don't think scum would have tried to pull that off without having an exit strategy.

[Shadow Knight]

All the scum 100%? No. But if you say you have a plan, have a PLAN. Not the beginnings of a plan that might catch scum if they're lying or unlucky. That's too many ifs. I hate day 1's and that seriously made me feel like you extended it by a week or more.

[Shadow Knight]

All the scum 100%? No. But if you say you have a plan, have a PLAN. Not the beginnings of a plan that might catch scum if they're lying or unlucky. That's too many ifs. I hate day 1's and that seriously made me feel like you extended it by a week or more.

Whats wrong with a plan that

might

catch scum?

Read the whole sentence. It *might* catch scum *if* they're lying or unlucky. You're basing this entire theory on the hope that scum *don't* have enough information to survive. You can put me under whatever category you want, but being annoyed at you for coming up with a half-assed plan that did nothing but point out several people that can buy items.

[Shadow Knight]

@tajo- why is ortolan scum again? I forgot while waiting for this dude to gather tons of information for the scum to make kill lists from because he had a great plan to

help

produce scum.

[Shadow Knight]

Have I voted you yet? No. But I am allowed to express my displeasure about this until/unless you catch us a scum. I'll be happy to apologize at that point.

[Shadow Knight]

I'd still like you to answer why ortolan is scum though.

[Shadow Knight]

ATM- neutral town. You seem to *want* to find scum using our roles, but I don't think its going to work. I can't help but wonder what happens when you get to me and I go "I can't answer your questions because I don't have item descriptions." Are you just going to wipe out 4 possible townies? And what about the people who refuse to give info? Are you just going to run them up in turn until they claim? I was leery of your plan at first because I couldn't see how it would work, but lacking descriptions, I was trusting you to catch scum. So yeah, it was a bit (understatement) infuriating to find out that you didn't have a plan beyond gather information. Because who does info in the open benefit? The scum. I'm gonna be bitter until you bag a scum. If your plan gets us ahead or wins us the game, I'll eat crow and sing your praises.

[Shadow Knight]

@ortolan- which is great until one of us with no item descriptions is up for lynch. Then what?

[Shadow Knight]

@tajo- yeah, after rereading and paying close attentioni to ortolan, I'm gonna have to go with a

unvote, vote ortolan

He's made a lot of statements that just rub me the wrong way. Its nothing I can really articulate, but my gut feels good with this.

[Shadow Knight]

@Whomever- how would you like me to explain? Sometimes, the little hairs on the back of my nect stand up when I read something. And considering that ortolan hasn't posted any porn, he's my vote at present.

[Shadow Knight]

*twiddling thumbs*

Look guys, just have me prodded once those of us without item descriptions can post without getting jumped on, k?

[Shadow Knight]

@Quints- I have abso-freaking-lutely nothing to do right now. What would you like me to do? I don't have item descriptions, and I've already expressed my thoughts on who I think is scummiest right now. Since all the talk is primarily about something I don't know anything about, I find it hard to chime in with fresh thoughts. I attempted to play along and all that happened is people jumped on me for being honest. I never claimed I had an airtight case on orto. I flat out said "its a gut vote". Make a case on someone or catch a scum with the item questions and I'll be happy to change my vote and put it to good/better use, but till then I'll let it sit with my only lead, no matter how crappy the reason is for it to be there.

[Shadow Knight]

As far as I can tell, the case on me is that a- I'm voting ortolan and b- the vote is based on a gut hunch, not a specific instance of scumminess.

[Shadow Knight]

You want a claim? Fine. I'm a Bubble Goomba.

[Shadow Knight]

I'm a goomba in a bubble. If my bubble is popped by an invader, I act like a normal goomba. I'm assuming that means I might gain abilities after I've been nightkilled once, but it might mean nothing.

I don't know how to post a picture.

[Shadow Knight]

The opening post and my role were the reason I was so sure that there would be multiple invaders. Why give a goomba a one shot auto-doc unless you're expecting a lot of carnage?

[Shadow Knight]

Oh, and

unvote

until I figure out who I should be voting here.

[Shadow Knight]

That sounds suspiciously like quoting my role PM.

@Mod- Am I allowed to do as tajo is asking without being modkilled?

[Shadow Knight]

Um not really. One is words that I'm posting. The other is copying and pasting something directly from my PM.

[Shadow Knight]

I can hold an item, but (at this time) I can't purchase any. My only ability is that I'll survive the first kill an invader makes on me although some attacks will kill me outright. I'd rather not disclose that part, thanks.

[Shadow Knight]

I don't know about the first game, but in games I've hosted where I gave the scum fake claims, I left it up to them to come up with flavor.

[Shadow Knight]

I realize you didn't ask how to kill me. I was just giving as much flavor as I felt comfortable giving. Yes, I can be given items (although that part doesn't make sense to me considering the bubble, but I'm not gonna complain).

[Shadow Knight]

@Ace- are you able to use an item given to you?

[Shadow Knight]

Because this may differentiate those of us with no item descriptions. Remember there are at least 4 people who don't have them. We may as well see if we all share the ability to hold and use items.

[Shadow Knight]

What are you talking about? I don't have item descriptions, but if I'm handed a letter I can read it.

[Shadow Knight]

My role stresses that I become a normal goomba once my bubble is broken. I assume that means I gain the ability to buy items.

[Shadow Knight]

You're right. We're too close to deadline for me to try and screw around.

According to my role PM.

I am a bubble goomba.
I will survive the first kill an invader hits me with, but it will pop my bubble and make me a normal goomba.
Certain attacks* will kill me outright
I have 1 coin.
I am unable to buy items.
Night 4 I "land" and my bubble pops regardless.

Through my communicating with Law, I know that I *may* get a new PM when I become a normal goomba but he didn't guarantee it. I *may* be able to spend my coin on something at that point. I *may* have more coins at that point. It *may* have something to do with floating around in a bubble. Are you catching a theme here?

[Shadow Knight]

I've written setups that I didn't want broken before, so I can understand where he's coming from, but its frustrating. I wish I could tell you guys that I can clear myself for sure on day X, but I don't know. If you think I'm the best lynch for the town, then go ahead.

It doesn't give a specific reason. That's why I said this:

It *may* have something to do with floating around in a bubble.

[Shadow Knight]

For ease of use, please post a case against Looker. (I honestly didn't know that was a player in this game till I realized he was on my wagon.)

[Shadow Knight]

So he had the time to drag his ass in here and vote me but hasn't posted any content?

[Shadow Knight]

You mean a deadline extension, right?

[Shadow Knight]

I assumed I could read it. That was what orto and tajo were just talking about. I figured if someone handed me a letter, I could read it. My PM only talks about being able to BUY items. It doesn't specifically say I can't use something that someone gives me.

[Shadow Knight]

The PM made it clear I couldn't BUY items. I figured if it was the same for USING them, he would've said so.

[Shadow Knight]

I'm out till tomorrow morning.

[Shadow Knight]

@Ortolan- I'm not claiming what attacks kill me outright simply because you want to know.

@Tajo- to loosely paraphrase my win condition, I win when all invaders are dead.

[Shadow Knight]

@Ace- were you seriously thinking that my PM said "you can't buy items because you have no arms"? I'm sure Law took a *tiny* bit of artistic license. (I'll be somewhat annoyed if I find out I have a coin and *still* can't buy items after the bubble pops.)

[Shadow Knight]

If scum have to waste 2 kills on me then that's one townie saved. I plan to keep quiet about when I'm targetted the first time and what I gain (if anything) from it. I doubt there is a similar role to mine as I'll be more than a little pissed that they didn't come forward and back me up sooner.

[Shadow Knight]

Threaten if you want. I've claimed. I can't do any more than that.

[Shadow Knight]

I have to say I don't think my claim was that bad until the very end. To think I pulled Bubble Goomba out of my ass is amazing.