The Werewolves of Millers Hollow (Game Over)

[MikeSC6]

Welcome millar13! Exactly how unlynchable are you?

[Shadow Knight]

Lets give him the chance to read 18 pages and catch up on the crapstorm his predecessor started.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Self-vote is the vote that best allows me to attain

my win condition

. I find it hard to overlook that logic. The "Pick two people" approach forces you to go beyond that and enables clearer thinking that helps the game move along, since naturally, the only people who would be absolutely confident in voting for other people would be scum, since they know their win condition is equally served by their scumbuddies who are confirmed to be the same alignment and thus we're likely to come to a stalemate in mayor voting. I find that approach personally helpful.

Wait, what? Bolded the important part. So, you're saying that you have a personal win con, different from that of the town?

No? Read post two. The win condition in the sample role PM, which I'm quoting because quoting my own role PM would break the rules, specifically says "

You

win when the threat of lycanthropy is eliminated." Win conditions are given to you in terms of whow the individual player wins. Thus, I refer to my win condition, since I assume other people have different win conditions.

You're right with that. However, you stating that seems strange. Like if you had to read the sample PM to know about the winning condition. Maybe it's just me being paranoid, but still, I will note this down for a future analysis.

The only reason I used the sample role PM was because quoting from your own role PM violates the rules and would get me mod-killed.

[Yosarian2]

Lets give him the chance to read 18 pages and catch up on the crapstorm his predecessor started.

Actually, I'd feel better about him if he claims ASAP, before reading the thread.

MILLAR: Please claim in full, including rolename, right now.

About the mayor thing; as I said, I wouldn't mind being mayor, but I'm pretty happy with my vote on Fonz for the mayor right now; based on his posting, he looks very pro-town to me right now. Plus, the fact that he dosn't seem to want to be mayor is actually a point in his favor from my point of view, heh.

[millar13]

You are a Simple Villager. You have no special abilities, but you DO have a vote. Use it wisely. You win when the threat of lycanthropy is eliminated.

Well I never revealed my identity so early, but I guess that is the truth of replacing someone who is probably a bigger idiot than myself, Zwet and Emp combined.

[Gorrad]

...god damn it, Millar. There goes rule #3.

[Shadow Knight]

@Gorrad- the mod *gave* us the vanilla townie PM.

[Shadow Knight]

In other news, does Xtoxm have a history of getting himself killed when playing a vanilla townie?

[Gorrad]

Hey sweet!

In that case, my vote stays. I don't see why Xtoxm-vanilla would claim unlynchable. It makes no sense at all unless he was trying to gamble and draw a NK, in which case he'd try to convince us not to vote him and call off the gambit at the end.

[millar13]

i didn' really have a choice....X played the game before me like a complete idiot

[Yosarian2]

In that case, my vote stays. I don't see why Xtoxm-vanilla would claim unlynchable. It makes no sense at all unless he was trying to gamble and draw a NK, in which case he'd try to convince us not to vote him and call off the gambit at the end.

There is absolutly no reason he should do that.

However, he does that kind of crap fairly often. I even said, at one point, that the only thing that worried me was the chance that Xtoxm might be a vanillia fakeclaiming unlynchable for absolutly no reason. So I actually think there's a reasonable chance Millar is telling the truth, sad to say.

Of course, being a claimed vanillia who lied about about his role at least once, he's still a reasonable lynch. It's just not a slam dunk.

[Shinnen_no_Me]

I'm not buying the vanilla claim at all, so I'm leaving my vote as it is for now. We just can't erase all X did just because he left asking for a replacement. If X/millar is really a vanllia, it was very despictable of X to play like that, and he should just as well be banned/warned or something like that. The point of Mafia games is to play to win. To WIN. Not to do a practical joke that would leave your team in a bad situation.

[millar13]

Jesus Christ! I love replacing into games I might as well suicide myself in.

[Shadow Knight]

Yeah. Sorry dude. You were better off claiming Jester and cutting a deal with the town.

[dingoatemybaby]

If millar is telling the truth, X was still trying to sabotage him even after asking for a replacement. Why say this

If lynching me would have killed me i'd have just self hammered. The role I have means it is not unfair on the replacement.

if he was just a vanilla townie who was feeling guilty about not fully participating?

[The Fonz]

Jesus Christ! I love replacing into games I might as well suicide myself in.

I once replaced a guy who had claimed cop, and was counterclaimed. By a guy with an innocent investigation on him.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

If millar is telling the truth, X was still trying to sabotage him even after asking for a replacement. Why say this

If lynching me would have killed me i'd have just self hammered. The role I have means it is not unfair on the replacement.

if he was just a vanilla townie who was feeling guilty about not fully participating?

The same reason he decided to throw an unprovoked, obscene insult at both Gorrad and me when he asked to be replaced. He's throwing a hissyfit because his attempt to have his fun at the expense of the rest of the players has been foiled.

[Firestarter]

If lynching me would have killed me i'd have just self hammered. The role I have means it is not unfair on the replacement.

If he didn't give a damn, why say this?

With Millar replacing in, as with any replacement, they will not want to get lynched as soon as they step in the door.

With Xtoxm's last post, and ultimately the claim, millar is still a viable lynch.
I mean, will it reach a stage if he's left alive, that we need to lynch him to prove he's telling the truth anyway?

[Shadow Knight]

Ok, now I'm either getting paranoid (in real life) or I'm too caught up in the jester hunting mentality, but when you add Millar's claim to what xtoxm has already done, it makes sense if he's taking up xtoxm's goal of getting lynched. Xtoxm leaves some cryptic crap about how his replacement's position isn't as bad as we think, and then millar comes in and claims something that is pretty much guaranteed to get him lynched by a frustrated and irate town. I'd like to try something.

@Millar- if you are at least 3 votes away from lynch, please vote yourself. After he does so, no one else vote him unless you're scum.

[Shadow Knight]

@Millar- Actually, I have you at 7 votes right now, so please vote yourself in your next post.

@Everyone else- please do not vote him.

[dingoatemybaby]

SK, what are you thinking here?

[Shadow Knight]

Just give me a little leeway on this. I'll explain afterwards. Promise.

[millar13]

Vote: Millar

Yea...pawn play...im the town's bitch

[Jahudo]

If millar is telling the truth, X was still trying to sabotage him even after asking for a replacement. Why say this

If lynching me would have killed me i'd have just self hammered. The role I have means it is not unfair on the replacement.

if he was just a vanilla townie who was feeling guilty about not fully participating?

This is a good point.

I've taken another look at the Incognito-brand meta on Xtoxm. It's hard because he left pretty early but a X-scum commits alot of IIOA while a X-town will mention other players. As either scum or town he will blurt things out without thinking of repercussions. Incog has explained this in quite a few games but it seems to hold true, especially for the games Juls shared.

Now his fake claim could have been done by a X-town if he proceeded to use this gambit to catch scum. He voted Gorrad and said BM was his scumpartner, but these weren't strong posts. He gave up easily without much scumhunting, so the gambit looks more like a scum one than town.

I'm okay with a millar lynch today. He should just hammer himself.

[Jahudo]

Oh, spoke too soon.

so who was telling the truth millar?