The Werewolves of Millers Hollow (Game Over)

[Shadow Knight]

@Gorrad- stop thinking in terms of "we lynch anti-town" and start thinking in terms of "we don't give anti-town roles what they want." Under normal circumstances, the former would be correct, but when you have an anti-town role that wants something *other/more* than survival, you make sure they do not get what they want. If the town has a vig, letting him/her kill millar is an *awesome* way for him to let his presence be known and later confirmed without risking a townie. Under normal circumstances, said vig would have to claim and then we have to leave him/her alive for another night so they can prove themselves. If we let the vig kill millar we have the win-win situation of not giving him a win and getting a vig confirm later. The only negative is if we have a Serial Killer who makes the kill and then claims vig later, in which case, we need to pray we *do* have a vig who will either already be dead (meaning the SK is toast) or can counter claim (meaning the SK is toast). Please note the SK scenario is pure conjecture, but just used to illustrate a benefit of having millar night killed instead of lynched.

[Battle Mage]

My role would be perfect for mayor.

does this make sense in the context of a Jester? Im not sure Xtoxm is that smart to think that this would get him strung up...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote to Lynch

Im really confused. from this page, it looks like Xtoxm's replacement is claiming jester, and Yos just put him at -1. wtf??

BM

EBWOP: By 'this page' i meant page 20, which i somehow concluded was the last page...

BM

[Shadow Knight]

@BM- why not, he committed every *other* action that would get him lynched...

[zwetschenwasser]

Xtotm succeeded in creating rampant chaos.

[Battle Mage]

... a few posts popped up while typing my last one-

Does this mean that, if we try to lynch Xtoxm it will fail? Or will it fail with consequences? Is it worth trying out?

Yes, it will fail. It will be the same as No Lynch.

if i was Xtoxm-jester, id have claimed that lynching me would fail, and all votes would be reset, or something similar.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@BM- why not, he committed every *other* action that would get him lynched...

hmm, i just dont know if i believe this jester claim. still reading. would Haschel use the name "village idiot"? Yos?

BM

[zwetschenwasser]

You are not Xtoxm. You are a master jester, as seen by your title. Xt is not.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

@Gorrad- stop thinking in terms of "we lynch anti-town" and start thinking in terms of "we don't give anti-town roles what they want." Under normal circumstances, the former would be correct, but when you have an anti-town role that wants something *other/more* than survival, you make sure they do not get what they want. If the town has a vig, letting him/her kill millar is an *awesome* way for him to let his presence be known and later confirmed without risking a townie. Under normal circumstances, said vig would have to claim and then we have to leave him/her alive for another night so they can prove themselves. If we let the vig kill millar we have the win-win situation of not giving him a win and getting a vig confirm later. The only negative is if we have a Serial Killer who makes the kill and then claims vig later, in which case, we need to pray we *do* have a vig who will either already be dead (meaning the SK is toast) or can counter claim (meaning the SK is toast). Please note the SK scenario is pure conjecture, but just used to illustrate a benefit of having millar night killed instead of lynched.

You've already started the inevitable discussion and argument that'll happen if we let him go 'till night. Lynching him does not harm us at all. Lynching people against against the interests of the town is good for town. Even if he is a jester, so what? So he gets to win as well as town when we find scum? Is that really such a problem?

[zwetschenwasser]

PRUFT

[Battle Mage]

So we're agreed on the necessity for his death. We just need to agree on the method. I don't want to lynch him because I think the scum will kill him for us. I'd rather they NK him than a townie. If that also happens to negate his win condition then, yay, bonus.

since when did the Mafia do our bidding?

BM

[Battle Mage]

You are not Xtoxm. You are a master jester, as seen by your title. Xt is not.

exactly. he just isnt trying hard enough for a novice who just wants to get lynched. If he's a Jester, he's got damn lucky, because he doesnt seem to conciously want to be lynched.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@Gorrad- stop thinking in terms of "we lynch anti-town" and start thinking in terms of "we don't give anti-town roles what they want." Under normal circumstances, the former would be correct, but when you have an anti-town role that wants something *other/more* than survival, you make sure they do not get what they want. If the town has a vig, letting him/her kill millar is an *awesome* way for him to let his presence be known and later confirmed without risking a townie. Under normal circumstances, said vig would have to claim and then we have to leave him/her alive for another night so they can prove themselves. If we let the vig kill millar we have the win-win situation of not giving him a win and getting a vig confirm later. The only negative is if we have a Serial Killer who makes the kill and then claims vig later, in which case, we need to pray we *do* have a vig who will either already be dead (meaning the SK is toast) or can counter claim (meaning the SK is toast). Please note the SK scenario is pure conjecture, but just used to illustrate a benefit of having millar night killed instead of lynched.

You've already started the inevitable discussion and argument that'll happen if we let him go 'till night. Lynching him does not harm us at all. Lynching people against against the interests of the town is good for town. Even if he is a jester, so what? So he gets to win as well as town when we find scum? Is that really such a problem?

Lynching a Jester is NOT good for the town. We dont want a Jester to win. He clearly isnt aligned with the town, but if lynching him means the Jester wins, we pretty much suck. Some people dont believe a Jester win counts for anything in the grand scheme of things.

I'm not one of those people. Jesters = serious business.

BM

[zwetschenwasser]

*facepalm* It's fine for a jester to win so we can cut back on the WIFOM which would otherwise plague us until the end of time.

[dingoatemybaby]

I think we're allowed to reverse the order though, dingo.

Of course. Juls expressed concern that the day might end if we lynched before electing a mayor. I was just showing her what the Mod had to say about it.

[dingoatemybaby]

My feeling is that regardless of whether X/millar is town, scum, or other, his presence in the game is hurting the town. Almost no scum hunting is pursued.

SK, there is no way the mafia would kill millar for us. Why would they? If he is scum, they want to keep him alive. If he is not scum, they want to keep him distracting the town.

I'm moving millar back to L-2 (I think)

Vote millar

[Battle Mage]

pah, ill read later.

Unvote For Mayor

I dont support Yos as mayor, for reasons already stated by others. Same applies, to a lesser degree, to Fonz.

Vote: Shadow Knight for Mayor

BM

[Dr Pepper]

Unvote Lynch

Xtoxm/millar situation is leading nowhere good right now. Its is a distraction that needs to be dealt with before the end fo the day.

Lynch Vote Xtoxm/millar13

*facepalm* It's fine for a jester to win so we can cut back on the WIFOM which would otherwise plague us until the end of time.

I couldnt have put it any better myself zwets. Now if only you could have said it using only five words.

ShadowKnight is starting to look suspicious to me. He has reopened the Pandora's Box of jester speculation that most of us tried to close. I am keeping my eye on you.

Mufasa, you have said nothing that wasnt already espressed by somebody else. You are still riding off of the curtails of others. I would be right on top of you if it wasnt so necessary to deal with Xtoxm/millar13 right now. I will be back on your heels first thing tomorrow.

Lets not forget millar changed his claim from "Vanilla Townie" to "Village Idiot". I whole heartedly support LAL. I no longer wish to wait until later to fix the mess made by Xtoxm/millar13.

[zwetschenwasser]

Unvote; Vote: Xtotm/millar13 for lynch

HAMMA SLAMMA!

[MikeSC6]

You think he was wanting to get out of a game that he joined? That makes next to zero sense. If this was post 1000 I could buy it but it was like his first post.

If he got a role he didn't want to play- then he could have. It might sound like something that just wouldn't happen, but reading a couple of pages of those games you listed- Xtoxm looks like he rarely does what you'd think!

And that other comment wasn't rolefishing, I just wanted to know what Zwet's reasons were (where I agreed with him- I just wanted to know why he was so adamant.)

I've not thoroughly read through the last couple of action-packed pages yet- are we sure that a Village Idiot is always the same as a Jester? It could be a townie with a posting restriction or something, which would certainly make sense. If it's well known that Village Idiots always equal Jesters then ignore me- you'll know better than I.[/b]

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm an adamant person, Mike. I also enjoy hammering...

[dingoatemybaby]

Yos blatantly rolefished last page, and noone noticed.

Please elaborate.

[zwetschenwasser]

millar was at L-3 and Yos was already asking for a fullclaim.

[dingoatemybaby]

Considering that Millar had claimed ad Village Idiot, I don't think asking him to expand on that is very scummy, especially considering the play of Xtoxm/millar.

[zwetschenwasser]

Perhaps, but it's worth pursuing later.