Mini 774: Case Closed Mafia (One Truth Prevails!)

[millar13]

I do remember you accusing Isacc of being millar13's scumbuddy, and I've said several times that I'm not happy with some things I'm seeing out of the latter. What interactions between Isacc and me, however, are you referring to? I think this is the first time you've grouped the two of us together.

SC, do you have nothing to add from the case I just posted, other than worry about yourself?

There were some things I noticed, that I'd come back to later....
Right now, the case is on M13, he is top of the pile for me.

And @ M13...

[color=redIm not even going to write anything in response to your last post, its just ridiculous.[/color]
OF COURSE THE CASE IS BASED ON MY OPINION!!!!!
Did you have help for your case???

IRONIC!

[millar13]

Your case is TOTALLY based on opinion and very little fact or evidence, you remind me of a one man marching band.

[Gorrad]

Vote Count:

Firestarter(5): Sajin, Isacc, Battousai, Millar13, StrangerCoug
Korlash(2): Korlash, Pacman281292
Millar13(1): Firestarter
StrangerCoug(1): Afatchic
Dubya(1): GhostWriter
Pacman281292(1): Rage

Not Voting(3): Dubya

Prodding afatchic and Dubya

[Isacc]

FIRESTARTER.

HELLOOOOOOO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME?

HELLLOOOOOOOOOOO.

Just thought I'd use allcaps for emphasis, since it's

clear

you are IGNORING ME.

Check this out.

Post 159 Firestarter accuses me of not reading the thread (even though I had already directly responded to him about it).

Post 161, I respond directly to Firestarter disproving his entire accusation.

Post 170, Firestarter makes a GIANT WALL-O-TEXT and yet, what has he made NO mention of? MY RESPONSES TO HIS POST.

Seriously, if you are so sure I am scum, then why are you ignoring me? At this point, if I made a major scum tell, it doesn't seem like you'd even point it out. How can you call yourself protown?

[millar13]

Good Point, a town player would feel the need to concentrate on just one player if another one was given him a lot of grief as well.

I know Strangecoug has issues with me, but no where near the proportion you have towards Firestarter. At L-2...i think he should just self vote and spare us the further grief of waiting for quiet possibly his lurking scum buddies

[Firestarter]

Gotta love the reactions from the 3 of you...
Instead of analysing the case, you come on here and try and verbally beat me up...
Best of luck with that

Anyways, Isaac, if Im around later on, Ill look into you with better detail.
As should any other townies, after reading my post, if I do indeed end up lynched.

At the moment, Im L-2, and Ive got my thoughts on M13 outta the way.
Its there in B&W.

BTW M13, town never self-votes...
But then again, you already knew that

[pacman281292]

I see that the case on Firestarter is very strong. Firestarter is ignoring some guys, and his "waa waa Isaac is scum because he attacks me" is really scummy. Also, the cases on him are well stated, while the case on millar is imo weak.
However, I'll make another recheck, and then go on with a vote.

[Battousai]

Firestarter concerning post 170:

The first serious post belongs to Battousai, 2nd belongs to millar13 and the 3rd belongs to Strangercoug.
millar13 overlooks Battousai's original post as the first serious post of the game, but accuses SC of this exclaiming it was a scum-tell. This is the first falsity. Why was Battousai's post overlooked in favour of SC's? Distancing/bussing of either comes to mind.

That is what you wrote, but what really happened was millar commented he didn't vote in the RVS, I voted him for it, Millar FOS'd me for voting him for it, SC asked why towards the FOS, and Millar explained. Millar never accuses SC of being scummy up to that point.... Which then lessens your case against him until you remark about millar saying rushing to a vote is bad, when a FOS is better.

The first statement is out and out scummy considering M13 later states that my Post 49 is the first real sign of townieness from me which happened to be my first serious post of the game. He states he's still 50/50 on me, wouldn't town be 50/50 on anyone in game, especially after just coming out of the random stage? He then looks at lurkers, saying that scum may be contained within them, why not place a vote on one them to get them to post?

So are you saying your original vote on Millar, which you deem as adding light pressure, isn't serious?

I FOS M13 for his crap-logic.

-In reference to bandwagons are not good for town in D1 by Millar.

You think Millar is suspicious because he has a different ideal than you? Why is this indictive of scum? From what I have read of Millar's posts, he feels D1 bandwagons are usually controlled by scum since there is so little information to go on.

He then states that Im likely scum of the players participating in the game, when a few short posts earlier he says Im 50/50.
I made only 1 other post since he claimed this...

No he said you were the most likely scum member at the moment. There is a big difference.

SC, do you have nothing to add from the case I just posted, other than worry about yourself?

There were some things I noticed, that I'd come back to later....
Right now, the case is on M13, he is top of the pile for me.

So it is ok for you to skip questions, but for others it's scummy?

Also, the rest of your case does stand up a bit.

[millar13]

Firestarter:
BTW M13, town never self-votes...
But then again, you already knew that

I am pretty sure, that town do self-vote sometimes. I have done it once, and if my hunch is correct Korlash who is doing it could very well be on the side of the town as well.

Good to have you back pacman

[millar13]

Battousai you post is valued, as personally I don't think I can attempt to really justify firestarters claims on me...he just wants his cake and wants to eat is also. An indirect post, was far more useful

[Firestarter]

@Pacman,

are you done with your "re-checking" yet?

[millar13]

He posted less than half an hour ago!

You impatient or what

[Firestarter]

What really happened was millar commented he didn't vote in the RVS, I voted him for it, Millar FOS'd me for voting him for it, SC asked why towards the FOS, and Millar explained. Millar never accuses SC of being scummy up to that point

What are you talking about?
He claims the following after SC asked him about it.

Vote: Millar13

for taking an anti-town policy in order to help his scum play.

FOS:BATTUOSAI

for applying "tactics" in the random voting stage

And the thing wrong with that is?

I've only known scum players to try and make a game serious A.S.A.P
so doing so was a scum tell

Read my quote again for clarity... The timeline is clear, I state that M13 says SC just gave off a scum-tell after SC asked him about it. NOT before it.
And why are you NOT addressing the real point of that post, that M13 ignored you in favour of SC?
Read it again.

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The first statement is out and out scummy considering M13 later states that my Post 49 is the first real sign of townieness from me which happened to be my first serious post of the game. He states he's still 50/50 on me, wouldn't town be 50/50 on anyone in game, especially after just coming out of the random stage? He then looks at lurkers, saying that scum may be contained within them, why not place a vote on one them to get them to post?

So are you saying your original vote on Millar, which you deem as adding light pressure, isn't serious?

I seen I could add some light pressure on M13 after his post, His reaction would only deem it serious.

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I FOS M13 for his crap-logic.

-In reference to bandwagons are not good for town in D1 by Millar.

You think Millar is suspicious because he has a different ideal than you? Why is this indictive of scum? From what I have read of Millar's posts, he feels D1 bandwagons are usually controlled by scum since there is so little information to go on.

I was suspicious about M13 saying that D1 BW's were dangerous for town.
Not his ideals.
The fact is that BW's bring about info, and we know info is good for town.
So he showed scuminess, yes.
Do you believe that D1 BW's are only controlled by scum Bat?

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He then states that Im likely scum of the players participating in the game, when a few short posts earlier he says Im 50/50.
I made only 1 other post since he claimed this...

No he said you were the most likely scum member at the moment. There is a big difference.

WRONG. He said I was 50/50.
Go check the posts please.

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SC, do you have nothing to add from the case I just posted, other than worry about yourself?

There were some things I noticed, that I'd come back to later....
Right now, the case is on M13, he is top of the pile for me.

So it is ok for you to skip questions, but for others it's scummy?

Also, the rest of your case does stand up a bit.

WOW, where were you when I needed the dig out, RE: questions not being answered!!

Ill get around to them, as I have done all game.

Also, did you post some critique on M13's case?
I might have missed it... Post number...?

[millar13]

Firestarter:
"Battousai wrote:
What really happened was millar commented he didn't vote in the RVS, I voted him for it, Millar FOS'd me for voting him for it, SC asked why towards the FOS, and Millar explained. Millar never accuses SC of being scummy up to that point


What are you talking about?
He claims the following after SC asked him about it.

millar13 wrote:
StrangerCoug wrote:
millar13 wrote:
Battousai wrote:
Vote: Millar13 for taking an anti-town policy in order to help his scum play.


FOS:BATTUOSAI for applying "tactics" in the random voting stage


And the thing wrong with that is?


I've only known scum players to try and make a game serious A.S.A.P
so doing so was a scum tell


Read my quote again for clarity... The timeline is clear, I state that M13 says SC just gave off a scum-tell after SC asked him about it. NOT before it.
And why are you NOT addressing the real point of that post, that M13 ignored you in favour of SC?
Read it again."

I don't know what is wrong with you, but you don't actually seem to be able to read.

I've only known scum players to try and make a game serious A.S.A.P
so doing so was a scum tell

Its clearly says that I thought the action was a SCUM-TELL...it doesn't actually mention me calling anyone scummy. You have to realize that is two very different things.

Although HOW IS THIS RELEVANT, I think everyone apart from you has got past this. You claim I am solely focused on the RVS and part just after, but it is only yourself that keep bringing it up.

Firestarter:
"Battousai wrote:
Firestarter wrote:
He then states that Im likely scum of the players participating in the game, when a few short posts earlier he says Im 50/50.
I made only 1 other post since he claimed this...


No he said you were the most likely scum member at the moment. There is a big difference.


WRONG. He said I was 50/50.
Go check the posts please. "

Maybe I did say 50/50 in the past, I can't find the quote but if you show me I will believe it. However, this is also OLD NEWS, recently I have you on 60/40 and once again you remain to LIVE IN THE PAST

[Isacc]

Gotta love the reactions from the 3 of you...
Instead of analysing the case, you come on here and try and verbally beat me up...
Best of luck with that

Anyways, Isaac, if Im around later on, Ill look into you with better detail.
As should any other townies, after reading my post, if I do indeed end up lynched.

At the moment, Im L-2, and Ive got my thoughts on M13 outta the way.
Its there in B&W.

BTW M13, town never self-votes...
But then again, you already knew that

Ok, you're done.

Reactions? This is the logical reaction of any player being ignored.

Instead of analyzing the case? I'm not interested in your case on Millar, as I am not Millar and I am perfectly capable of analyzing him myself. I am interested in you responding to

my

case on

you

which you consistently ignore,

even now!

You are my number 1 suspect, and at almost L-1. Any case you make attacking another person filters through the "scum trying to shift his lynch" alarm at this point. Your case on Millar may be useful later, if you flip town, however right now there is no logical reason for me to analyze your wall-o-text Millar cases.

Next, "look into me with better detail"? Maybe you should actually

read my most recent posts

rather than wasting the time of doing an analysis on me. The funny thing is, your whole "I'll look into Isacc" is just a nice way to hide the fact that

you are still ignoring me!

Frankly, you aren't in any position to be making attacks, we all know you are suspicious of the people making strong attacks on you. Right now, you should be focused on answering my questions and/or defending yourself.


Newsflash Firestarter: Effective ways of proving your innocence include defending yourself, working with your attackers and responding to their questions, and overall acting pro-town.

Things not in that list: making big cases on people who are suspicious of you, ignoring the interrogations of other players, continualy saying "be suspicious of those guys!"

So take my advice and

stop ignoring me!

[Firestarter]

M13...
RE: my 4 questions.

No. 1 & No. 2 are tied together.
You did not answer them.

No. 3..
"I doubt you pro-town, so the assumption almost concretes scum"
Ive highlighted this for obvious reasons. You may have answered it, but it doesn't wash.

No. 4
I had to post the question several times, and the text below the first one had nothing to do with the question. Read it again.
The 2nd time I asked, I added extra text in.
You didn't answer it.

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Also, have you no questions you'd like to ask yourself about the case I posted?
Are you NOT gonna refute anything at all in 'em?
Im happy to answer any and all queries you have.

[Isacc]

Im happy to answer any and all queries you have.

Unless, of course, "you" means Isacc.

[millar13]

I answered them, but it is clear that you didn't get the answers you wanted or expected.

Stuff like "it doesn't wash" please I know what it says.

You know what doesn't wash...YOU!

[Isacc]

Firestarter: I'm fairly certain Millar responded to all those questions in post 162. Didja read that one? Or did you skip that one too?

[Firestarter]

Uh.. how am I ignoring you, was there a question or 2 I didn't answer?

Newsflash Firestarter: Effective ways of proving your innocence include defending yourself, working with your attackers and responding to their questions, and overall acting pro-town.

Ive defended myself... Ive responded to their questions, if I missed one, Ill gladly respond.

Things not in that list: making big cases on people who are suspicious of you, ignoring the interrogations of other players, continualy saying "be suspicious of those guys!"

Why not make a case on someone I find suspicious?
How else can I get my message across?
What interrogations have I ignored?
I have suspicions on others, yes.
Ive already given reasons why I found you suspicious, your 3rd post of the game, responded to in my 24th post.
As for SC, my suspicions were founded when I was putting together the case on M13.
I did not continually say "be suspicious of those guys!"
Feel free to post Post numbers to back that claim up.

[Firestarter]

Firestarter: I'm fairly certain Millar responded to all those questions in post 162. Didja read that one? Or did you skip that one too?

Funny guy, no.. really ya are

Ive stated I didn't skip any...
But you refuse to read my case on M13???

Only coz it suits ya not too!

[millar13]

The fact that another person agrees with me says it all really. I answer you questions, so deal with it. Stupid acting like an idiot with posts like this

"Funny guy, no.. really ya are Wink"

And what you you mean you haven't skipped any? Go trrough pages 5-8 and you will see Isacc had questioned you a number of times, with no actual response.

[Isacc]

Last line of 110.
Post 138.
Post 161.

You have ignored every one of these posts by me.
You have not actually defended yourself against my case.
Any other things you haven't done, I mentioned in the posts listed above.

Ive stated I didn't skip any...

You've STATED!? OMG. Guys he

stated

it, so it MUST be the truth. Throw away all evidence to the contrary boys, because Firestarter

claims

he hasn't ignored any posts.

But you refuse to read my case on M13???

Only coz it suits ya not too!

I didn't "refuse to read your case on M13." I just don't need to spend a wall of text analyzing it in game, for logical reasons I already presented. Did you read those ones?

I did not continually say "be suspicious of those guys!"

Oh really?
"As should any other townies, after reading my post, if I do indeed end up lynched." (referencing looking into me) post 180
"There are also interactions Im not happy with between M13 and Issac and SC...But right now Millar13 needs to be lynched." post 170
"Honestly, town, you gotta be blind..
Not only are you sitting in the sidelines doing nothing, but your watching others make accusations that they have hardly followed up on." post 159

[millar13]

Another fact that Firestarter needs to realize is:

If he flips town, this doesn't automatically mean that I will be lynched next. I don't quite understand this logic at all.

[Firestarter]

Stupid acting like an idiot with posts like this

First of all... Do Not Abuse Me.
Im not here to be abused by anyone...

GOT IT?

And what you you mean you haven't skipped any? Go trrough pages 5-8 and you will see Isacc had questioned you a number of times, with no actual response.

Read Up.. ^^