Mini 774: Case Closed Mafia (One Truth Prevails!)

[Battousai]

My flavor is in the English version ala Jimmy over Shinichi. Looking at Firestarter's flavor, he uses the English version for the role name, but switches over to the Japanese version for the flavor...

Millar- you don't believe his nameclaim to be true, but you zeroed on on the misspelling or different word to support your claim.

Still waiting for afatchic and dubya to contribute before I vote (which might effectively hammer considering pacman looks to be wanting to vote Firestarter from my interpretation of his recent posts).

[Korlash]

My flavor is in the English version ala Jimmy over Shinichi. Looking at Firestarter's flavor, he uses the English version for the role name, but switches over to the Japanese version for the flavor...

I can't believe I missed that... Wow... I can;t believe Gorrad would use both English and Japanese versions int he same PM, I definitly can't see him using different versions of Jimmy for PMs either.

Sadly based entirely on that I'm ready to vote him but I don't want to until I have contributed something more then I already have.

[millar13]

*I love Korlash's avatar! *

[Firestarter]

Guys, I was not familiar with Case Closed Mafia.

And like in my previous game, War in Heaven II that finished, I done my homework on it before it started.

Ill post the link I seen Shinichi in.
Im sure you appreciate I did not want to post Gorrad's PM word for word.

Here is where I seen Shinichi being mentioned...

"Vivian, known in Japan as Yukiko Kudo (工藤 有希子 ,Kudō Yukiko?), is Shinichi's mother."

There is no mention of Vivian being a Master of disguise.
And as Im completely in the dark over the actual show, Ive never watched it, there is no-way to deduct that this is a skill she used from the PM I recieved.

And here is the link to the wiki page I referenced.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ca ... characters

Scroll down about 4/5's of the page, and my character is under "Family."

I always check out the flavour of a game I play in if its a theme, to get a gist of what Im entering into.

Here is a link to my last game, War in heaven II, I use wiki references about the flavour in it, after studying what certain characters that were lynched, could do... This post is where I first reference Wiki pages. I do add more after this.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 97#1594897

Like I said, I didn't quote Gorrads PM word for word, I rather substituted as much words as I could without getting away from what it states.

In response to the words I used in the flavour claim post, "Investigative skills."
I deducted this from my PM... and without ruining the integrity of the game, Ill try to give as close as possible as to what it said...

"Utilise Skills obtained.... from spouse who is an author of certain types of books... "

Thats as close as I could possibly go.

And for the record guys, Jimmy is NOT mentioned in my PM.
He is referred to as "My son."
When I read the V.Kudo wiki page, Shinichi was the sons name I seen first.

[Isacc]

Does anyone else think it sounds like Firestarter is just trying to cover up a slip? This whole flavor explanation is getting pretty elaborate at this point.

[millar13]

To be honest I am at a cross roads.

1) The previous case and the reasons I thought he was scum are still strong in my decision

2) This claim and what has followed is now actually making me think that actually their is a chance that he might have actually been telling the truth and he is town. (This would not excuse his scummy nature though)

[Gorrad]

Vote Count:

Firestarter(4): Sajin, Isacc, Millar13, StrangerCoug
Korlash(2): Korlash, Pacman281292
Millar13(1): Firestarter
StrangerCoug(1): Afatchic
Dubya(1): GhostWriter
Pacman281292(1): Rage

Not Voting(2): Dubya, Battousai

Dubya has roughly 24 hours before I seek a replacement.

[Korlash]

I find it funny he would actually say "Here is a link where I found all this stuff" which is the exact thing scum do when they make up fake theme claims. Now if he is town, i can understand why he wouldn't want to quote Gorrad word for word sure, but we can't let him live now.

We asked him to claim flavor, and he admits to giving us stuff he pulled off a Wiki. I'm all for paraphrasing, but that's just too rediculus to fathom. To be honest as well I had to look my role up too but if asked to paraphrase I won't pull stuff from the wiki, I'll just say my PM in a different way.

I am a little with Miller int he sense it's so crazy it just might be true but i can't endorse letting him live after this... I mean I'll never fully trust his claim anymore, and I do find it should be policy to lynch people who make a bad claim and then spend a few more posts backtracking to fix the holes...

[StrangerCoug]

I don't buy Firestarter, but the name claim has nothing to do with it. I agree that he shouldn't talk about it like there's nothing else to talk about, though. "I'm so and so, and I do such and such" would have be enough for me.

[Firestarter]

Korlash, 253 explains it all.
Im not hiding anything.

I don't buy Firestarter, but the name claim has nothing to do with it. I agree that he shouldn't talk about it like there's nothing else to talk about, though. "I'm so and so, and I do such and such" would have be enough for me.

SC...
I was told I was so and so, I was not told I do such and such.
I was told I had a skill, an investigative skill learned from my spouse. But nothing more.
I was told my "Son" was up to no good.
I was told I have a vote.

Im resigned to being lynched, because tbh, I cant say anymore than what Ive said already. You will learn the truth when Im lynched.
Theres too much WIFOM for me to be allowed to live now, and NOT be lynched later.
I'd rather Town got on with scumhunting now.

Of the 12 playing, 8, including me are the only real active players, even then, pacman & sajin aren't contributing too much.

Of the posts out there by all however, and Im judging this on what I see in the posts, I'd consider the following.

Poss scum:
Isaac
Sajin
M13

Poss Town:
Korlash
Battousai
pacman

Middle of the road:
SC

Lurkers:
Ghostwriter, Dubya, Rage, afatchick.

Lists are in no particular order...
This is of course based on the battle between M13 and I.
Ive built a case on M13 already, you can check that for reference.
Isaac has made 17 posts I think.. and for all bar 2 (Confirmation & RV posts), he really only speaks about me. But his 3rd post came well into the game.
There are 10 other players he's hardly mentioned.
sajin looked ok early on, but the more I read his posts, the more I got a bad vibe from him.

Korlash, Battousai & Pacman have been the most consistent with their posts, and the most townlike at the moment imo.

SC.. I dont know.. Seemed to go from M13 to me, M13 and back to me again... It could be considered a scum gambit, voting and being suspicious of the 2 in the biggest battle so far, and waiting to see who loses.

Not alot to go from lurkers as is the norm.

[Battousai]

Regardless of whether your claim makes since, I will vote you. Why? You claimed vanilla townie. Whenever someone on the chopping blocks claims that on D1, my policy is to lynch them. The reason is because the scum now know Firestarter isn't a powerrole, which increases their chance to NK a powerrole if we lynch/out another role.

[Firestarter]

I know whats coming Bat...

Hence my lists, whatever good they'll do.

[Firestarter]

Another list...

Post Count including this one.

Millar13 >> 76
Firestarter >> 66
StrangerCoug >> 26
Battousai >> 19
Isacc >> 18
Sajin >> 17
Korlash >> 14
Pacman281292 >> 7
Afatchic >> 5
GhostWriter >> 4
Rage >> 3
Dubya >> 1

[pacman281292]

OK, real life sucks.
My internet bill for the last 2 months somewhat sumed up to the equivalent of $800, so my mother is going to sue the telephone company. Meanwhile, I'm V/LA, and I see it will be long. So, I'll try to commit to the minimum stuff (i.e. modding the game I'm currently modding, finishing some yet advanced games, you know that kind of stuff).
Sorry folks.
MOD: Please replace me.

[StrangerCoug]

I was told I was so and so, I was not told I do such and such.

Well, the basic idea was there anyway.

sajin looked ok early on, but the more I read his posts, the more I got a bad vibe from him.

How so?

SC.. I dont know.. Seemed to go from M13 to me, M13 and back to me again... It could be considered a scum gambit, voting and being suspicious of the 2 in the biggest battle so far, and waiting to see who loses.

Dude. Wake up. I am not going back and forth between the two of you. I suspected originally millar13 only, and then both him and you. My levels of suspicion have changed, but they're changing at a rather constant rate. They haven't been fluctuating much like you imply.

[millar13]

Firestarter:
SC.. I dont know.. Seemed to go from M13 to me, M13 and back to me again... It could be considered a scum gambit, voting and being suspicious of the 2 in the biggest battle so far, and waiting to see who loses.

If anything, SC suspects me more than you because he has had his vote and suspicions on me for much longer. The only reason you suspected is the fact your scumminess has grown over time. Don't exaggerate, it makes any plea that you may be town not something worth saving

[Firestarter]

SC, I get bad vibes from sajin, that is all atm.
And with you I have middle of the road. The reasons I stated were possibilities.

M13. If you still think Im pleaing with Town to keep me alive, then you need to read the posts and try and understand them before you post.
What am I trying to exaggerate exactly, again?
You seriously need to brush up on your English, your posts at times are quite confusing.

[millar13]

I know your not pleaing...and that in many ways actually makes me feel that you could have been telling the truth this whole time, despite your "scumminess"

Also I would like you explain

"You seriously need to brush up on your English, your posts at times are quite confusing. "

Because no one else has had a problem with it so far.

[Firestarter]

Its simple M13, some of your posts dont make sense. The grammer is off.
Its not a personal insult, its more likely someone will read something other than you post, as the case has been with several of your posts.


This is a recent example for me...

You clearly state Im making a plea of being town..

Don't exaggerate, it makes any plea that you may be town not something worth saving

You then say in the post previous to this one that Im NOT making a plea.
In this case, its not a matter of confusion, its a matter of contradiction.
There have been quite a few instances of this throughout the game that I brought up in my case on you.

[millar13]

I never said you were making the plea personally...i meant any plea that may be made, will not seem worthwhile.

However, after-much deliberation and the fact that I was never 100% certain on you, I am about to do something that people may actually be genuienly surprised by.

Unvote

We are at least two weeks off the end of the Day, and I don't see any need to rush in.

I still think you a likely scum candidate and I haven't stopped believing in my case. However, when people's replacements come in etc I will have a much better knowings of the game itself.

[Battousai]

We need to lynch Firestarter...... he claimed vanilla.

[Isacc]

We need to lynch Firestarter...... he claimed vanilla.

QFT.

There are too many discrepancies in Firestarter's claim. It would be unwise not to lynch him.

Plus, he's right in that now there will be too much WIFOM surrounding him for him to even function if we don't lynch him now.

[Korlash]

I agree with the discrepancies and wifom part, but lynching him for claiming vanilla is stupid. I admit his claim doesn't help but it's hardly a 'main point'...

[StrangerCoug]

SC, I get bad vibes from sajin, that is all atm.

You have accused me of certain things specifically (we know what they are), yet Sajin is scummier than me based on gut. This is making absolutely no sense to me.

[Battousai]

This is D1, our best guess would only be a guess. There isn't a lot of informationt o go off of. If we choose not to lynch Firestarter and say run up a wagon on millar, we could possibly out a powerrole or he'll claim vanilla. We then would probably lynch one of the two claimed vanilla players.

If there are 3 scum and both firestarter and millar are vanilla, that means when it comes to night the scum have a 1:7 chance of hitting a powerrole. It is best to lynch the Firestarter because it lessens the chance from 1:8 to 1:7 for the scum to find and kill a powerrole before they get to use their ability or if we run up a wagon on a powerrole, it almost guarantees their death unless there is a protective role. IMO, D1 you lynch the claimed vanilla.

Plus, more than likely we will end up lynching him later...