Allrighty:
Random voting degenerated fast, and what followed was a barrage of crap logic. Its in the past but a few things that stuck out:
Millar was damn aggressive. The whole philosophy is bumpkis of not voting until totally sure. An FOS or HOS just doesn't get the job done in my book. When you vote as a townie, its either because you believe that person is detrimental to town, or to put on pressure. Until you get around l-2, its primary use is to put on pressure. An HOS or FOS just doesn't hold the same weight, its not as damning. its just like saying "you COULD be scum! I have my eye on you." Well, yeah, thats how you should be to EVERYONE. No offense, just stating why I disagree with that little philosophy. Other than that, I applaud him for trying to get the ball rolling.
yadda, yadda, going through a bit more, post 49 made me laugh. Firestarter is going on about how pressure on someone is good, and is a good tactic....and he then tells millar to calm down and unvotes him? Wow, way to nix your own logic there.
*note, I am typing as I read, and I'm smiling at how you guys are picking up on these things. I'm glad this game has an observant bunch. so I apologize if something has been mentioned before and I echo whats been said, I'm just voicing my opinions as I go*
Stranger, on page three you goofed, you said firestarter hadn't voted for millar at all, and his last vote was fatchic. Wrong, his last vote WAS on millar (post 35). Unless, I've misread that is.
Firestarter wrote:millar13 wrote:Basically if I make typing errors or, use the wrong word don't take it too mean something that it doesn't. Half full rather than half empty.
Bollox-ology Im afraid...
You dont mistakenly write the wrong word, wrong letter, yes, not the wrong word.
Upgrading to...
VOTE: millar13
What the hell.
Ok, fire and stranger riding millar was working. he was breaking, but you guys took it a bit far. You were nitpicking over really inane things, like his wording. You should have picked at his logic instead, or forced more out of him. And that vote upgrade was just funky, fire. understandable from the perspective of putting pressure on him, but I hope you start picking more at his logic and less at the way he words his posts.
millar13 wrote:Typing the wrong word is a scum-tell.
Well lah dee dah...I must be scum then.
Mhmmmm FireStarter you just more and more scummy, as you looking for the smallest of things to blow out of proportion, so you can "justify" your vote on me oncemore.
I'm not giving you the satifisfaction of voting for you yet though.
christ, kids, cut it out. Don't make me get the hose on you.
something I want to make a comment on:
millar13 wrote:A vote is sacred.
People who vote, unvote, vote and unvote can actually be most unhelpful.
I disagree. A vote is not sacred. Expect to see me put votes around often. Its all a part of the pressure game. I actually find it slightly scummy when people rarely vote at all, especially in the face of good evidence (granted, that is subjective). I find it akin to lurking, its like sitting on the sidelines. So long as the person not voting brings up good content to the game and keeps productive, I don't mind, but it can easily turn into someone just sitting back and letting the town rip each other apart. This doesn't mean I will jump down people's throats for not voting every few days, but its one of many things I keep my eye on. Just an insight into how I play.
Isacc, thank you for post 107.
1. because I forgot you were in the game until I read that. And its a pleasure playing with you in a game.
2. that post lead to firestarter's post 108, which says:
Firestarter wrote:We just found millar13's scumbuddy...
Wow. Instead of trying to properly defend yourself and refute his logic, you throw that out? Aww c'mon. (strike against fire)
Going a bit further, 5 pages in and already it seems like things are getting majorly personal. I think both Millar and firestarter are taking things way too seriously at this point (and thats odd coming from me, I normally take this game to extreme levels of seriousness, and back). It seems like there's a lot of tension. We're all adults here, but I still think I should say, this is only a game folks. Lets try not to rip each other apart when we play.
Firestarter wrote:Ok, millar13, you have 2 hours to post your case on me, Ill be gone for this time.
Next time I log on, I want to see your clear & concise case, in 1 post, got it?
Chill out.
millar13 wrote:Now you clearly are not just a plain vanilla townie...that is more than clear from post 121. Clearly you are sitting on some sort of power position (I doubt you pro-town, so the assumption almost concretes scum) otherwise you wouldn't be so frustrated and resorting to using offensive language. Why would someone with no real power feel the need to swear and your such horrible and disgusting I do not know.
Psychology is an interesting tool to use in mafia, but you're looking at it the wrong way. Don't assume he has a power role just because he's cursing. People get mad, people get aggressive. it happens. Besides, if he had a power role, he wouldn't be aggressive because of it on the 5th page on d1. Especially not an anti-town power role as you claim.
Firestarter wrote:After millar13's last post, I propose a trade off with him.
Lynch me, and when I flip town, lynch him.
Are we agreed millar13?
Im happy to take a hit for town here, your play is unbelievably scummy.
Not only that, but town have alot of info to work off on others who have blatantly ignored what Ive posted throughout the game.
millar13... What you say?
Fire either has no power role (or a REALLY crappy one) or he is trying a gambit. He had 4 votes on him at the time, so he wasn't in utter danger of a lynch yet, but he wasn't making any fans with any of his arguments. Either way, I dislike how that post was. At its base, assuming on the chance fire is town, it means he no longer cares to play properly, and instead is blinded by a little vendetta. it might seem logical to him, but to me, it just reeks of bad sportsmanship.
Stranger and isacc basically sit back and give millar a pat on the back and say he's doing a good job so far. This reminds me. I hope rage, fatchic, ghostwriter, and pacman end up speaking up some more.
Going through a bit more, this whole thing just degenerates into a mess.
Firestarter wrote:millar13 wrote:Stupid acting like an idiot with posts like this
First of all... Do Not Abuse Me.
Im not here to be abused by anyone...
GOT IT?
Wow. This is a damn game. Chill out, both of you.
Ok, Millar and fire are pretty jacked at each other, that's for damn sure. But what bugs me is how everyone else can stay outta the spotlight. fire points fingers at anyone that backs up Millar, but no one else is really scum hunting one another, and that irks me.
Sajin wrote:mother of the main protagonist, probably a vanilla if its true
Don't try to outguess the mod.
OH SNAP!
fire wrote:Im a Vanilla Townie and I'm off to bed.
*points back up to where I said he is either a townie with no power role (or a really bad one), or was trying a gambit*
I dislike seeing people try to figure info from just the name. That assumes the mod isn't competent to prevent his game from being broken. I advise against it.
after the full claim, batt says this:
Battousai wrote:Wow Millar, first you complain that making a mistake in wording isn't scummy, it just makes you human. Now that it has happened to Firestarter (spelling or wording), you jump on his case for it.
Honestly Millar, you are being a hypocrite over chasing fire based on one word, when you essentially had the same problem before. I think after this game, you two need to bury the hatchet.
Battousai wrote:Regardless of whether your claim makes since, I will vote you. Why? You claimed vanilla townie. Whenever someone on the chopping blocks claims that on D1, my policy is to lynch them. The reason is because the scum now know Firestarter isn't a powerrole, which increases their chance to NK a powerrole if we lynch/out another role.
Policy Lynches kill innocent people. And on purpose in your case. Look, Firestar wouldn't be NK'd if he claimed or not. No intelligent mafia would waste an NK on someone that can be lynched easily. so even if he didn't claim, it would make no difference.
But the point is: we have a chance to kill someone today. Our BEST BET is to catch scum. Fire may be a bit off (I digress, VERY OFF), but if he is a towns person, him being in the game is helping our chances. Its boosting our numbers. Killing him, if he is a townie, only makes us lose a day we could kill scum, and instantly cuts our chances.
lets assume, for the sake of argument, we have 9 townies and 3 anti town roles.
In one scenario, we lynch off a goon on d1. They kill a townie at night, the following day, we have 8 townies, and 2 goons, an 80% majority.
In the next scenario, we lynch off a vanilla townie on d1, and the scum kill a townie during the night. 7 townies and 3 goons. Our majority during the day drops to 70%
The best thing town has going for it, is that we are the MAJORITY. That is our power. And as such, we need to treat every one of us (townies that is) as a commodity that we cannot afford to lose.
That is my views on the matter.
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A lot of back and forth in this game, and I'm actually a bit torn. My PRIMARY concern right now is not firestarter. I'm actually more concerned about scum hiding in the shadows. There's so much spotlight on fire and millar this whole game, it would be easy for scum to just be quiet and let the day pan out.
This is a difficult situation. On one hand, I don't honestly think fire is scum. I'm inclined to believe the claim. I dislike the logic of lynching someone because they are a vanilla townie. However, I dislike the concept of a no lynch on d1 even more, a no lynch on the first day is like starting the game a man down for town. Also, fire's attitude grates me something fierce.
Bottom line is, I can't see the harm in taking at least a day or two to get some discussion going on our other observations. There is no sense to rush this.
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO ASK OF EVERYONE
I would like you to pick a person who is most scummy to you right now, and explain WHY they are scummy.
The catch: NO ONE pick Millar or Fire. We've heard plenty over them. We have experienced people in this game, so I'm sure all of you folks who's been quietly observing have something of note to say.
When I get back from work, I'll post who my suspicion lies on (I'm actually torn between two).
[i][color=red]"He looks like the type of guy who can marathon write no matter his alignment without looking scummy at all." -Xtoxm[/color][/i]
