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[Jase]

EBWOP: So yes I think it would be a good idea to pressure those who aren't participating as much. (including myself)

[yellowbunny]

Cuz, you know, you didn't post from the 14th until today. That's 5 days. 6 pages. And the most you can come up with on your return is:


qwints wrote:
Nothing substantive.

Ik's spew on page 15 makes him more suspicious to me. That's a lot of posting with little accomplished which is anti-town.

Wall-E's play continues to be scummy. I don't know if I buy the Asperger's claim in 407. It seems like the symptoms would preclude one from being able to effectively play mafia. I also don't like his claim that tunneling = scum in 396.

Right now I'm fine with a wall-e lynch. IK is probably the second most suspicious over the last stretch. A couple of posts from Krevriov and yellowbunny made me a little suspicious (282 and 393 respectively), but not enough to do much about.

I wrote this without reviewing my previous long post, so I'm sure somebody slipped off the radar.



Now I maybe I could buy the fact that you could only post on weekends, or you were sick, or something like that. Maybe. But if that were true, you'd probably have come up with something better than "Nothing substantive" when you got back.

Not to mention, the only other game I've seen you play, you were scum and lurked like crazy. Just like now, really.

I've thought about IK's point here now, and its interesting.

Qwints, why do you finally post after 5 days...and that coincides with when Wall-e is at L-1? And how can you claim that someone being at L-1 isn't substantial to comment on?

[Hero764]

EBWOP: So yes I think it would be a good idea to pressure those who aren't participating as much. (including myself)

Why the hell would you suggest we pressure you? If you're town, and you know you're town, you suggested we fucking waste our time.

[Idiotking]

From what I can tell it looks like Jase is willing to accept scrutiny for his lurking, as long as everyone else who was lurking is also scrutinized. That's rather responsible of him. It's a town tell, I think. But then again, he could go into this knowing that it's a town tell, and be using it to diffuse our annoyance of his lurking-ness. But then he might know that I'd think that, so he wouldn't actually do it if he were scum... gah!

Is that what WIFOM is?

[Jase]

Now then,

Yay, wb Jase!

Btw, I'm not sure how far you are in catching up, but I FOSed you cuz I thought Hero's suspicions looked a lot like your suspicions (see his large post).

So what do you think of that? I am completely off base? Do you think he is mimicking your views for some reason? Is it a coincidence?

And aside from that, what are your impressions of Hero? And do they mesh w/your previous thoughts on Noob?

FoSing me doesn't make much sense because my suspicions are guaranteed to be my own, and I'm not sure if he is mimicking me.

As for hero I'm not liking him very much right now, not sure why, I've got a lot to process with 3? new pages, but I'm getting bad vibes. Also I don't see how my thoughts on him and noob could mesh, it isn't as though he has picked up where noob left of with the same train of thought and strategy.

The person who has stuck out the most to me in the last few pages has been IK. I'd appreciate it if he would post a point by point summary of his case against Wall-E, as all that has stuck with me is that he claims that Wall-E isn't answering questions.

[yellowbunny]

Is that what WIFOM is?

Indeed. Now all we have to do is figure out if Jase is the type of man who would poison his own wine, or his enemy's wine.

[Wall-E]

Cuz, you know, you didn't post from the 14th until today. That's 5 days. 6 pages. And the most you can come up with on your return is:


qwints wrote:
Nothing substantive.

Ik's spew on page 15 makes him more suspicious to me. That's a lot of posting with little accomplished which is anti-town.

Wall-E's play continues to be scummy. I don't know if I buy the Asperger's claim in 407. It seems like the symptoms would preclude one from being able to effectively play mafia. I also don't like his claim that tunneling = scum in 396.

Right now I'm fine with a wall-e lynch. IK is probably the second most suspicious over the last stretch. A couple of posts from Krevriov and yellowbunny made me a little suspicious (282 and 393 respectively), but not enough to do much about.

I wrote this without reviewing my previous long post, so I'm sure somebody slipped off the radar.



Now I maybe I could buy the fact that you could only post on weekends, or you were sick, or something like that. Maybe. But if that were true, you'd probably have come up with something better than "Nothing substantive" when you got back.

Not to mention, the only other game I've seen you play, you were scum and lurked like crazy. Just like now, really.

I've thought about IK's point here now, and its interesting.

Qwints, why do you finally post after 5 days...and that coincides with when Wall-e is at L-1? And how can you claim that someone being at L-1 isn't substantial to comment on?

He said his post was nothing substantative right in the beginning. What point are you two trying to push here?

[yellowbunny]

FoSing me doesn't make much sense because my suspicions are guaranteed to be my own, and I'm not sure if he is mimicking me

I saw three options:
1.) You are hero's scum buddy, so he's mimicking you
2.) Hero is scum, and he's mimicking you to make you look bad
3.) Its just a coincidence, and I'm being paranoid

The FOS was in case option 1 was true, and also to maybe to awaken you from your posting slumber.

[Wall-E]

Maybe. If your answers are decent. Until I actually get those answers, I'll

unvote

But if I don't get them in 24 hours, or if they're not sufficient to remove my suspicion (and I honestly doubt they will be), I'm going to replace my vote and make sure you don't get a third chance.

Not good enough.

First, outline your own perspective of the events in the thread in such a way as to explain away my points against you. When you've done that, find every question you claim I have not answered and put them into a single post to back your claim that I have not been answering questions to a degree deserving of a vote. When you've done that, I'll know you deserve what you've been screaming for for the last three pages and I will answer every single one of said questions (presuming none of them are rhetorical or unhelpful in other ways, such as someone asking me who I think looks most town).

[yellowbunny]

He said his post was nothing substantative right in the beginning. What point are you two trying to push here?

Why should I answer your questions when you don't like answering mine???

How about you address my tunneling question, and X's questions, and any other outstanding questions, and then I'll answer you?

[Jase]

EBWOP: So yes I think it would be a good idea to pressure those who aren't participating as much. (including myself)

Why the hell would you suggest we pressure you? If you're town, and you know you're town, you suggested we fucking waste our time.

I find your hostility frightening.

Anyways, there are a couple of reasons that I suggest you pressure me.

One, YOU SHOULD, it would be unwise to ignore my lurking just because I suggested you pressure lurkers.

Two, I wanted to make sure nobody called my "hypocrit"

Three, I'm not lurking intentionally and I think some pressure on myself would certainly draw me into the coversation.

P.S. Sorry for the WIFOM. (I may have poisoned all of the wine .)

[yellowbunny]

P.S. Sorry for the WIFOM. (I may have poisoned all of the wine Razz.)

Yes, yes...BUT WHICH CUP?? ^^

[Wall-E]

Hey guess what? We can discuss more today and if you hammer you're hurting us tremendously.

Hey guess what? It's up to you to convince me that I would be hurting us tremendously, which you haven't fucking shown any interest in.

I think you mean to say that you are uninterested in what I have to say. Makes sense if you're IK's scumbuddy, I guess. Otherwise... wat

[Jase]

Also I forgot to

unvote

I don't really think Wall-E is scum especially considering his post 483.

[Idiotking]

Maybe. If your answers are decent. Until I actually get those answers, I'll

unvote

But if I don't get them in 24 hours, or if they're not sufficient to remove my suspicion (and I honestly doubt they will be), I'm going to replace my vote and make sure you don't get a third chance.

Not good enough.

First, outline your own perspective of the events in the thread in such a way as to explain away my points against you. When you've done that, find every question you claim I have not answered and put them into a single post to back your claim that I have not been answering questions to a degree deserving of a vote. When you've done that, I'll know you deserve what you've been screaming for for the last three pages and I will answer every single one of said questions (presuming none of them are rhetorical or unhelpful in other ways, such as someone asking me who I think looks most town).

Ok.

Vote Wall-E

I give you a chance to defend yourself and you fail. Epically. Do you not see the need to defend yourself? Do you honestly think we're going to let you live just because you're you? We will KILL you, Wall-E. You will DIE. If you refuse to defend yourself then you're basically resigning yourself to that fact.

(Oh, and btw: LOOK UP YOUR OWN BLOODY QUESTIONS, YOU PATHETIC IDIOT. I'M NOT YOUR MANSERVANT. STOP BEING A LAZY BUM AND DO SOME HOMEWORK!!!!!!!!!!)

Exclamation marks added for emphasis.

[Idiotking]

Or, you know what? You list your "points" against me again, in full, with all your reasoning, and I'll do the dumb thing and look up your questions for you. And then after I beat you to death with your own stupidity, I'll hang your carcass anyway.

[Idiotking]

@Wall-E,

You completely ignored my post 331.
I asked some questions in the end.

Putting the strings together:
Major question: why did you unvote when you "noted a connection"?
You did not remember why you voted, but did remember why you unvoted?

Oh...I see. Wall-E...I'm a GIRL. When you kept saying "he" I thought you were referring to IK, so that's a large part of why I was confused. But reading the "he" parts to be directed towards me...your post makes more sense now.

Anyway, one rather large hole in your argument:

He starts by distancing IK, but soon downgrades his vote on IK to an FoS.

Would be a interesting theory...unfortunately, it never happened.

The vote you are referring to is a figment of your imagination.

I voted Llue as a joke in the RVS stage (for being an Euler groupie), FOSed Kre for not liking peeps, FOSed IK for not revoting (something which many ppl thought was a bit scummy), voted for you while you were AWOL, unvoted when you returned, and then revoted for you when I felt your behavior warranted it, and there it lived until I switched it to Hero.

Regarding:

Next he throws some suspicion my way and parrots someone else's reasoning, then becomes increasingly "upset" with my failure to address some points, allowing that to be his reason for voting me. Later, he builds a case on me, completing the tunnel.

That's also pretty inaccurate. I wasn't "upset" with your failure to respond. I WAS upset. You have admitted that your behavior at that point wasn't helping the town at all. And seriously, Wall-e...you posted an apology and asked for time to dig your way out, and since then I have really been trying to give you some breathing room to dig your way out of the hole. That HARDLY constitutes tunneling.

I'm sorry, but your whole argument isn't very logical to me. After your apology post, can you provide examples of me tunneling on you? And before it...well, you have admitted yourself that your behavior wasn't exactly pro-town. Its not wrong in a game of mafia to go after someone who is showing anti-town behavior.

This made me lol irl. Many of Wall-e's posts seem to have decided that IK is scum, and are thrashing about frantically to find some scum...any scum...that will fit.

And this progression, IMO, is hilarious:

@Wall-e: You completely did not respond to my post 410. Me pointing out that you MADE UP A VOTE isn't something you should ignore. I do not know if you made it up on purpose or on accident, and I also realize that even if you did it on purpose you would say its on accident so you don't have to point that out. However, some sort of response is appropriate. Also I am waiting for your response to my tunneling question.

Your imaginary vote post makes me want to vote for you again, and the ***ONLY*** thing keeping me from doing so is that you are so close to a lynch.

Are you denying early-game suspicion on IK on your part?

As his only response to YB, and then follows it with:

IK remains dismissive. His anger grants him some town points, but not enough for me to pull my vote off him.

Oh, by the way, Wall-E, you're NOT voting for me at the moment.

Now, he's incontrovertibly misrepresenting the facts

twice

here, which is pretty often compared to normal D1 discussion. I can't be certain that this is not an honest mistake, but it bothers me. And he still hasn't responded to my whole counterargument to his case against me. I really hope that your next post addresses this.

Hey guess what? It's up to you to convince me that I would be hurting us tremendously, which you haven't fucking shown any interest in.

Meh, if nobody agrees with an IK vote I'll stop pushing it, but it's my best lead. Let me know if anyone wants me to claim.

You have other leads. Your vote is currently on Hero. You find X scummy. You find me scummy. You find Cubarey scummy (although he is awol so you are probably prudent in leaving that one alone til a replacement is found). Why not follow up on Hero, X, and myself? There are certainly enough open questions there.

Regarding the claim...you at at L-1. I've never had to claim personally (as I mentioned, my mafia experience is still pretty limited)...but if you are town and you think it will help your case...maybe you should? Your behavior overall hasn't been very pro-town, but if you are just a not very effective townie I have no desire to lynch you.

Wall-E's play continues to be scummy. I don't know if I buy the Asperger's claim in 407. It seems like the symptoms would preclude one from being able to effectively play mafia.

I think that's one of those things where it is better to assume it is true.

And ever blathering, ever redundant, the broken record goes on.......

WHY HASN'T ANYTHING RELEVANT HAPPENED SINCE PAGE 4, WALL-E?!?!??

YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED TO, ACKNOWLEDGED, EXPLAINED, OR NOTICED

ANY

OF THIS.

Now defend yourself.

[Idiotking]

And for the record, no, most of these aren't questions. They shouldn't have to be. People are wondering what you're up to, Wall-E. This involves DEFENDING yourself. You know why you got so many votes on you? Hmm? More votes than I do, more votes than X does, more votes than yellowbunny does, more votes than Jase does, more votes than qwints does, and the list goes on and on? BECAUSE WE AREN'T AS SCUMMY AS YOU. Defend yourself, or die.

[X]

And this progression, IMO, is hilarious:

Hilarious? How so?

Because it shows an utter disregard for facts, twice.

Wall-E's play continues to be scummy. I don't know if I buy the Asperger's claim in 407. It seems like the symptoms would preclude one from being able to effectively play mafia. I also don't like his claim that tunneling = scum in 396.

Lying about outside conditions is just plain wrong. I don't think anyone on the forum would lie about that.

Let me know if anyone wants me to claim.

You already claimed VT.

Not to mention, the only other game I've seen you play, you were scum and lurked like crazy. Just like now, really.

QFT.

Alright, so most seem to agree that a Wall-E lynch would be good. I've already explained my reasons for suspecting him. I've got no problem putting down the hammer. My question to you is: Do you think we're at a good time to end Day 1?

What what what??? I mean, 20 pages is a bit long for D1, but I still think it's a little early, because some people have lurked for most of the day, and we're still waiting on a replacement...oh, my...

FoS: Hero764

.

Is that what WIFOM is?

Indeed. Now all we have to do is figure out if Jase is the type of man who would poison his own wine, or his enemy's wine.

But it's so simple.

First, outline your own perspective of the events in the thread in such a way as to explain away my points against you. When you've done that, find every question you claim I have not answered and put them into a single post to back your claim that I have not been answering questions to a degree deserving of a vote. When you've done that, I'll know you deserve what you've been screaming for for the last three pages and I will answer every single one of said questions (presuming none of them are rhetorical or unhelpful in other ways, such as someone asking me who I think looks most town).

Do you think you're in the position to barter right now? You answer the questions that YB and I have been badgering you about first.

[Jase]

First, outline your own perspective of the events in the thread in such a way as to explain away my points against you. When you've done that, find every question you claim I have not answered and put them into a single post to back your claim that I have not been answering questions to a degree deserving of a vote. When you've done that, I'll know you deserve what you've been screaming for for the last three pages and I will answer every single one of said questions (presuming none of them are rhetorical or unhelpful in other ways, such as someone asking me who I think looks most town).

Do you think you're in the position to barter right now? You answer the questions that YB and I have been badgering you about first.

While I think he should answer those questions regaurdless, I like what he's asking, it'll be good for town.

[Idiotking]

Jase, here's a question for you. What are your opinions on everything that's happened since page 10 or so? In detail.

[Sajin]

IK your either busing very hard here or your arguing ad hominum. Either is out of line at this time. Pressure is one thing, don't cross the line.


In other news, due to chemical contamination, Bill Nye was found immune to the effects of iocaine powder. More news at 11.

[Jase]

IK-Would you please keep the rage level in your posts to a minimum, I'm having a hard enough time keeping up as is without having to sift through that.

[Jase]

Jase, here's a question for you. What are your opinions on everything that's happened since page 10 or so? In detail.

At-a-glance...I think there's been a lot of question, acusations, etc. that have been ignored, and not just by Wall-E. Though I can't help but wonder why you're asking me this now.

[Idiotking]

Jase, here's a question for you. What are your opinions on everything that's happened since page 10 or so? In detail.

At-a-glance...I think there's been a lot of question, acusations, etc. that have been ignored, and not just by Wall-E. Though I can't help but wonder why you're asking me this now.

Well, you asked us to pressure you. And in detail.