Mini 164: Rock Paper Scissors Mafia - Game Over

[Mgm]

Well, I hope my team know I'm one of them. Don't protect me. If you target a known scissors mafia member, they'll have to choose between killing me and protecting their own....

[Fuldu]

Vote Count

:
Dmi - 4 (Mgm, Narninian, Coron, StrykkerVerde)
Mgm - 2 (Dmi, Locus Cosecant)
StrykkerVerde - 1 (Mr. Flay)
Coron - 1 (DarkLight140)

Not Voting

: pwnz, Save The Dragons, vikingfan

With 11 alive, 6 to lynch

[Dmi]

Mgm, I think you have an obsession over the scissors mafia.

[vikingfan]

All right. In the interests of revealing as much as possible to the lazy peoples of the world:


If we assume that no member of a mafia knowingly votes a member of their mafia, assume StrykkerVerde is telling the truth about being in Mr. Flay's mafia, and assume that the known results are Dmi- Scissors, thrawn1020 - Paper, Mgm - Rock...

Here's the trick here. What if someone knowingly DOES vote for someone in their mafia specifically because of this tell? I know that if I was playing it this way, I wouldn't want such an obvious tell to reveal who I am. I've actually voted members of my own mafia in other games here on mafiascum and I assume others have done the same. Sometimes you want to do that to A)allow yourself the chance to kill members of other mafia, and B)remove suspicion from yourself in exactly the way you're looking at it.

Not that it's not a valid way to look at it-it is, but I don't think we can use this as our be-all and end-all.

As for voting, I'll go with

vote dmi

for now, though I can be persuaded in other directions.

[Mr. Flay]

As of this moment in time, I'm not interested in revealing my mafia, so I'll continue to be non-Paper.

Unvote, Vote: vikingfan

. We can't assume mafia would never vote for their teammate, but I'm pretty sure you are what Darklight said you were, i.e. Paper mafia.

The problem comes in Scissors and Rock figuring out what to do about the rampaging Paper loners if we do knock them down to two? They could kill two people...and the other teams could either help them, stop them, or ignore them, depending...that's the discussion I'm more interested in having before nightfall.

[Mgm]

Mgm, I think you have an obsession over the scissors mafia.

Of course I do. What's wrong with a healthy obsession?

I have little interest in revealing my mafia, so I continue to kill of scissors what's wrong with that?
Of course, you say I'm a Rock. You'd do everything to offer someone else than your little scissors self. I'm not confirming nor denying.

Just die already!

[DarkLight140]

All right, any Paper seems like a good lynch to me as well- and I do have faith in my assumptions. This isn't a normal game of mafia, where being seen as going against your mafia makes you look good; it just means there are 11 people who might kill you regardless, rather than 8 people who would, given the chance.

Unvote, Vote: vikingfan

[Mgm]

Why lynch another paper mafia? They'll actually become more dangerous if we lynch another one. They are sure to kill tonight if there's just 2 left.

Just lynch Dmi already and even it all out.

[DarkLight140]

It won't be even if we lynch Dmi- the rock mafia will have an advantage. On the other hand, if we kill a paper...

Okay, this needs some organization. How about the Scissors and Rocks from two geographical areas target the remaining papers, and the other two in each mafia target the other rocks/scissors, trying for investigations or protects from the papers. In the morning, we'll have the paper mafia entirely eliminated, and the rocks and scissors can play the night game from there on out.

[Mgm]

It will even out. The scissors and the papers will target a rock overnight, with no way of the rocks protecting against 2 kills.

[vikingfan]

Not really. Say you have predicted-correctly-all 3 papers. Even then, the 2 papers can still make 2 separate kills and make a big impact in the game. Even out the game and go from there.

[vikingfan]

BTW, mod, STD hasn't posted since last Wednesday, and pwnz since last Monday. It'd be nice to have everyone participating.

[Save The Dragons]

Vote: Vikingfan

More people need to die anyway.

[Narninian]

All right. In the interests of revealing as much as possible to the lazy peoples of the world:

Yesterday's Final Vote Count:
thrawn1020 - 7 (Locus Cosecant, Mr. Flay, DarkLight140, Save The Dragons, Narninian, StrykkerVerde, Dmi)
Locus Cosecant - 3 (vikingfan, pwnz, thrawn1020)
Dmi - 1 (Mgm)
Not Voting: Coron

Today's Current Vote Count, According to Me:
StrykkerVerde - 1 (Mr. Flay)
Dmi - 3 (Mgm, Narninian, Coron)
Mgm - 2 (Dmi, Locus Cosecant)
Not Voting: vikingfan, pwnz, StrykkerVerde, DarkLight140, Save The Dragons

If we assume that no member of a mafia knowingly votes a member of their mafia, assume StrykkerVerde is telling the truth about being in Mr. Flay's mafia, and assume that the known results are Dmi- Scissors, thrawn1020 - Paper, Mgm - Rock...

Coron is non-scissor
DarkLight140 is non-paper
Dmi is scissor (both by voting patterns and known)
Locus Cosecant is scissor (by voting pattern; the randomness on Day II may indicate simple non-paper, though)
Mgm is rock (taken as known; voting pattern only proves non-scissor)
Mr. Flay is non-paper
Narninian is rock
pwnz is unknown
Save The Dragons is non-paper
StrykkerVerde is non-paper
vikingfan is unknown

Now, cross-referencing gives us that. With a bit more thinking...

8 non-papers are accounted for. Therefore, paper mafia consists of... vikingfan, pwnz, and Coron.
Rock mafia consists of Narninian, Mgm, and either (myself and Save the Dragons) or (StrykkerVerde and Mr. Flay).
Scissors mafia consists of Dmi, Locus Cosecant, and either (myself and Save the Dragons) or (StrykkerVerde and Mr. Flay).

As myself, Save the Dragons, StrykkerVerde, and Mr. Flay now all have full information... well, we'll see. Locus being all random could, in fact, screw up the last two mafia entirely, but I think not. If nothing else, I've got a 50% chance of being right regardless.

In any case, I say we kill off the paper mafia before bickering between rock and scissors, yes?

Vote Coron

.

(If anyone thinks my logic or assumptions are flawed, please tell me, because I think people just might use this until it's proven wrong.)

I can say with certainty that based on investigation results/ any other information I might have that your wrong with at least one name.

[pwnz]

I don't like the scissors mafia.

Vote:Dmi

Good point, but paper mafia is a good lynch too.

confirm vote: Thrawn

Hell.. this game is confusing me.
Since I can't communicate outside of the thread to my mafia homies.. and since we're all mafia.. I'm gonna throw this out there:

Paper.. I'm going to call our shot tonight.

ATTACK LOCUS. If he said that the paper mafia is, "A good lynch".. he is not one of us.

vote DMI

[Fuldu]

Final Vote Count

:
Dmi - 6 (Mgm, Narninian, Coron, StrykkerVerde, vikingfan, pwnz)
vikingfan - 3 (Mr. Flay, DarkLight140, Save The Dragons)
Mgm - 2 (Dmi, Locus Cosecant)

And with six votes, Dmi is lynched. He was the North American representative of the Scissors Mafia.

Please get Night choices to me by Wednesday, 10:00 PM GMT.

[Fuldu]

As dawn breaks, the villains awake to a bloody mess. It seems that Mgm has been stabbed repeatedly in the chest and is quite dead.

Mgm, the South American representative of the Rock Mafia, has been stabbed.

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

[Locus Cosecant]

vote: pwnz

He is paper mafia.

[vikingfan]

Right now, locus, we're all at 3 apiece, so we're all even. There's no particular reason to go after the paper mafia instead of any of the others.

BTW, that list that was provided-I can provide at least one name that does NOT correspond correctly with that list.

[DarkLight140]

If you can logically reason your way into providing a more correct list, please do so. Otherwise, we could, I suppose, just throw out all the names we've got, get a complete list of all player's alleigences, and then figure out what we're doing from there, but as it is now, I don't see anyone really getting someplace not mostly random while playing this guessing game.

[vikingfan]

Correct, Darklight. Not that it isn't a good guide, we just shouldn't take it as gospel since both Narninian and I have posted that we have at least one name that is off from that list.

[Locus Cosecant]

I have a reason to go after paper mafia: they're not on my team.

[vikingfan]

Of course, we all have that reason-two out of the three dead so far have benefited your team and everyone else's team.

[Locus Cosecant]

But I'm out as being anti-paper. Going after paper reveals nothing new about my motives.

[StrykkerVerde]

I'm gonna agree with Locus on this one and

Vote: pwnz

I like your thinking.