Hmmm, not random, eh? Just pointing this out.Electra wrote:helloo00o =)
vote: SapphireVerde
Against my better judgement, I will random vote. (I HATE RANDOM VOTES!)
Ummm, that's a mistake. (Check the underlines) My vote is on Mgm, which would technically make me not in the "Not Voting" Section.mathcam wrote:In response to a good question, you can not vote for the dead.
Current Official Vote Count:
Mgm (2, SapphireVerde,Crola)
Axelrod (1, Dmi)
Sapphire (1, Electra)
Nanook (1, Mgm)
Darklight (1, MoS)
Tactix (1, Nanook)
Not Voting: Axelrod,Crola, DarkLight140, Fuldu, SubtleTactix
6 to lynch.
Cam
I wish we could, but from what other people are saying, we may not be able to filet the scum out when reviving power roles. As of now, I all for reviving armlx and any confirmed townies, but unless we know with absolute positivsness (not a word but you know where I'm goin with it) I think it might be dangerous to revive a power role.Mgm wrote: What happened to the regular scum-hunting tactics of discussion, lurker-voting and analysis? Sure, mathcam said we're on a deadline, but he also said it could be extended. It's hardly a good reason to bandwagon me.
Maybe we should use the method of the previous time travel mini and vote on whether we'd like to end the day?
As for armlx, I'm all for reviving him. The more confirmed townies the better. Still, I think we should look for a method to revive power roles that somehow excludes scum. Any ideas?
I don't think reviving armlx is a waste of fuel, what I'm saying though is that in the future, docs may have to choose between 2 townies and a power role, it would be a waste to revive all three, the doc will have to choose wisely.SubtleTactix wrote:I am a little confused. Before you wrote:But just now you wrote:Crola wrote:As of now, I all for reviving armlx and any confirmed townies, but unless we know with absolute positivsness (not a word but you know where I'm goin with it) I think it might be dangerous to revive a power role.Can you clarify? Are you suggesting that reviving armlx is a waste of time fuel? Because you seemed in favor of it in your previous post.Crola wrote:The point I'm making is, it would be amazing if we killed the mafia without having to use our fuel, but that's not happeneing. THe only reason I suggest this is not to have you guys it around doing nothing, but it's for the doctors and stuff. Don't waste your fuel! If we misuse our fuel, it could be catastrophe for the town, but I guess other then that we should have a ball.
I respect your opinion that we shouldn't waste our time travelling abilities, but I don't understand how you feel about reviving armlx as a use of timefuel.
--Tactix
Wait, we can buy Timefuel? You said do it now when time fuel costs less. Is this unique your role, is there something I missed, am I just not special?Axelrod wrote:Well I read that other time-travel game, which was interesting. Looks like several of the rules are different in this game, so strategy will obviously be different.
I will agree with Mgm that if Armix is to be revived it should be now, when the fuel cost is less. That means no Doc protection tonight, however, it that right? Only the Doc. can decide whether the expense is worth it.
Does this mean I've inadvertently roleclaimed?Axelrod wrote:It occurs to me (unfortunately, only now) that those who are "basic townie" roles don't know what Mgm, MOS, Electra and myself are talking about. The townie PM, already posted by math, doesn't explain how time fuel actually works. Therefore, I assume it is only those of us who got "time-traveling" roles who got the time-fuel explanation.Crola wrote:Wait, we can buy Timefuel? You said do it now when time fuel costs less. Is this unique your role, is there something I missed, am I just not special?
Since the mafia already know this I'll go ahead and explain it. Every day a person travels uses up a "unit" of time fuel. If you go back one day (or forward) it costs one unit. If you travel two days, like from day three back to day one, you use two units. Time-travelling roles have limited amounts of fuel (well mine does, and I assume everyone else's does, based on what math said.) That's why Mgm and myself said it would cost less to save Armixnow, rather than later.
What this means is that several time-travelling players have just exposed themselves to the Mafia. The Mafia may not know what we can do, but we are definately going to be the targets. So, anyone else who can time-travel PLEASE SHUT UP ABOUT IT. We don't need to tell the Mafia any more than they already know.
Doughnuts is the correct spelling, and is this hinting at a cop claim?MoS wrote:We could always ask them...I'll give donuts if any of the mafia would like to explain
Yeah, after I posted, I looked up both forms of the word, and they are both correct.Mgm wrote:Spelling all depends on where you live. You can spell the word doughnut in a number of ways all equally valid.Crola wrote:Do we know who's leading in votes? Votecount please.Doughnuts is the correct spelling, and is this hinting at a cop claim?MoS wrote:We could always ask them...I'll give donuts if any of the mafia would like to explain
In a three way tie, ony one person would die, as Mathcam stated earlier.Mgm wrote:I'd have to agree with the plan that votes should only be on bandwagons when the day ends.
If I'm correct the votes are currently like this:
SapphireVerde - Electra, Mgm, Axelrod.
Mgm - SapphireVerde, Fuldu.
Electra - Mastermind of Sin.
Axelrod - Crola.
If we end with something similar, mafia could travel back to night 1 and kill SV. Then his vote on me wouldn't count, causing a three-way tie in lynch numbers on the new day 1.
Ummm, wait a sec, did you just say don't revive the townie? Here, I'll italicize that part.Dragon Slayer wrote:Arlighty, I'm basically caught up. First thing is taht Sapphires posts are some of the hardest thing's I've had to read on the board since Bigben. Please try to clean them up a bit.
More importantly, as far as the doc saving armlx. Bad idea because we know he's townie,and therefore it wouldn't be as helpful as saving someone that potentially, or probably, is a pro town time traveler. The only thing is, if the doc saves Arm now, then it will only cost one fuel unit. I think it should be up to the doc. He/she knows how much fuel they have, therefore it's his/her decision. They should be able to decide whether or not it's worth it to revive him. Doc, if you have a decent amount of fuel, then why not? As far as the votes on Sapphire, it's the best choice for now. She hasn't posted often, or too helpfully. Input is important. However, I'll give her another chance to put her two cents in, though a bit more than that would be helpful. If she continues lurking/not helping, then I'll jump onto the wagon as well.
-DS
You beat me to this point, I was about to say that everyone has a time machine. Something is very fishy about Sapp.Fuldu wrote:Well, I've found Sapphire's comments to be the most incriminating. For one thing, she's claimed not to have a time machine and specifically pointed to her PM not saying anything. That seems both unnecessary and arguably a careless attempt to claim a useless role. Since we've all seen the townie PM and it clearly does state that they have a time machine, I think she's just babbling out whatever comes to mind. It's possible that there are powerful roles without any time travel capability, but that seems improbable given that even townies have a minor capability.
unvote: Mgm; vote: SapphireVerde
No, Nanook, you're wrong, mathcam saidNanookTheWolf wrote:I know that I responded to this game like 2 days ago, but I guess the post didn't go through. The jist of the post, I basically was saying that the reason Sapphire didn't have a time machine yet, is because since she was a back-up doc, maybe she didn't get her time machine til the real doc was killed.
It's just a thought, and I wish I could write more atm, but I'm already late for work.
Or if there's a vigilante. I don't like your logic Axel. You're saying we should go against everything we've said before and revive non-townies. Are you claiming "role investigator" because if you're not I disagree.Axelrod wrote:Well my earlier post seems to have not gone through (what's up with these forums anyway?)
What I said was that only reviving townies was safer (assuming that we still have the capability to revive anyone at this point), but that I think there are also ways to identify the alignment of the dead--crime scene/corpse investigators. That kind of role only makes sense in a game like this.
Also, any "non-town" who turns up dead that we didn't lynch is probably innocent (unless there is a SK in this game, who travelled to night two to make his first kill, and obviously travelled again this night. Seems unlikely).
No.Electra wrote:... Crola, have you ever been in a time travel game before?
My responsesTactix wrote:A. Mafia and SK targeted armlx night one.
B. There will be an attempted future kill, by a scum group.
C. A doc protected somebody night one
D. A roleblocker stopped the SK night one.
A little choppy, I know, but the point is, I'm a he, not a she.Tactix wrote:. . . Crola . . . based on her . . .
Woah, not a permanent Vig? So you're saying you have a limited amount of kills, or can you do a few different specific things? You've already claimed, but if you trully feel thet revealing your whole role will damage you or the town further, then please say so.Tactix wrote:Keep in mind, I am not a permanent vig. I have a small number of actions I can take, and I'v already used one.
Wait, shouldn't a vig be able to kill every night? Or do you mean limited time fuel? One or the other or both, which one is it?Tactix wrote:I mean only that I have a limited number of kills I can attempt. I have no other special abilities.
Okay, I may not be able to counter that completely, but I will say that why would a Vig, and I'm using your words here "spread information that's useful but not critical to the town," if it sacrifices his life. We weren't even suspicious of Tactix at first, then he role claims, and here's the only logic I can put behind it:DarkLight140 wrote:I would definitely agree that Crola's being a bit excessively inquistive. He's protown, he kills, he time-travels. We know he can't do either forever; asking more is pretty pointless. As for not buying his story, what's not to buy? Why in the world would a mafia/SK come out as a vig- obviously asking to be shot Night One by a real vig or mafia/SK in doing so- with no pressure at all, to spread information that's useful but not critical to the town? I don't see how it would make sense; if you do, pray enlighten me.
I agree with this, hence my vote on Tactix. Hes probably SK, saying he's Vig, that way he gets revived if he dies, since he'll come up as a non-townie. Also, either way he'd have a kill a night to justify both claims. I say down with Tactix!Dragon Slayer wrote:I guess I'm not helping then by saying that i'm a basic townie, with no time travel abilities at all (since most people have at least said if they can travel or not I might as well put this out there, if we go with the idea of reviving only townies then it may keep a night kill off me all together as it would be a waste for them).
Secondly, I think MoS can potentially be scum (mafia not sk i think). I think out SK is Tactix trying to pull a fast one on us. It seems too coincidental. First, the fact that vig is a common enough claim for SK cause they can claim to have accidently killed a townie that they thought was mafia, when they're actually the SK. Also, in his reasons for only one kill night one, he included in his last reason (4) that a role blocker stopped the SK. Perhaps here he is trying to talk about the SK to take the idea off him being the SK (not sure how confusing that sounds, hopefully you get hte idea). Also, he claims to have attempted to kill mgm last night but failed because he was killed night one. Perhaps he actually killed him night one and is lying now? WHy did you go for mgm anyway? And generally vig's don't get many kills, I usually only give mine one. It just doesn't feel right. My guy today tells me to go with tactix, though as I stated, Mgm has been suspicious. I need to do more reading on him. THen I'll vote between the two.
-DS
First, sorry, about my last post, for some reason this page didn't exist for me until I posted.SubtleTactix wrote:If I were an SK, what's the point of such an elaborate role-claim? Pretend for a moment that I am an SK:
There was no pressure on me to role-claim; why would I cause such a stir without even a vote on me? Further, with no other role-claims out there, I would be risking a counter-claim by a real vigilante, or being targeted by a real vigilante tonight. Or, a cop investigation. What advantage does it gain me? It doesn't make sense!
My claim would be suicide for me if I were an SK: between possible investigations and a real vigilante, I'd be killing myself for no good reason.
Look folks, I am a Vig. What I could deduce told me we likely still have a doc alive. I made my role-claim because:
* It prevents us from outing the doc if he is still alive,
* It saves the doc for another night (scum will probably target me ahead of taking a random shot hunting for the doc)
* It explains that we have an SK in the group.
Vote: Crola. I find his agressive and persistent line of questioning suspicious, given that he didn't even fully read my defense, and that no counter-claim has been made against me.
One more thing: I never requested revival if I die, and frankly that would be a silly move for the town --revive a confirmed townie instead! So the logic that I claimed to set up a revival later does not apply.
--Tactix
Okay, so why did you do it? You've condemned yourself to death tonight and further go on to syat that you don't want to be revived. YOur post and claim are both inane and illogical. You have helped the town in no way and have hurt it more than anything.There was no pressure on me to role-claim . . .
Okay, this could be either suicide or the right thing to do if we let MoS live. I am not the biggest fan of the power roles in this game. Also, I have the feeling that if we leave both Tactix and MoS alive, MoS will get killed and Tactix will stay alive, this is assuming both of them are good, which is hard to believe.Mastermind of Sin wrote:Frankly, I don't have much more I can say at this time. Revealing my role would nullify it's effectiveness, since the scum would then be able to act upon the knowledge I revealed to make my role pointless. If I live through tonight, I promise to fully explain my role as necessary. Also, the fact that DarkLight140 is less suspicious to you makes no difference to me. That's the way he plays. In every game I've seen him play, he's always on the list of the least suspicious people, whether he's scum or not. He stays quiet much of the time but then pipes up with helpful(or seemingly helpful) posts on occasion, in order to keep suspicion from moving to him. He's incredibly talented at staying alive, but I think I've caught him as scum for once. It's not definite, but it's a better lead than anyone else has come up with so far. Other than DarkLight, the only suspicion I've seen that may have any merit is on Crola. Also, I'm interested to know why you are so sure of Crola's role, Axelrod. It seems to me that you are so confident about your role assessments that you are ignoring what the players are actually doing.
Again, please do not lynch me today. I'm not claiming that I have some all-important role that needs special attention by the doctor or anything, but I'd rather be killed tonight and have a chance to live through to tomorrow, where I can reveal important information about what I do, than to be lynched today, when revealing what I know would be completely useless. All I'm asking for is one more night.
Holy crap, what is up with this vote count? Mathcam, I hope it was a joke to put Warpdragon's name up because he's not in this game. secondly, It's me that's voting Tactix, and Tactix just unvoted, but still, I shouldn't be on the not voting list.mathcam wrote:Current Official Vote Count:
MoS (3, Axelrod, Darklight, Uraj)
warpdragon (1, MoS)
Crola (1, Tactix)
Not Voting: Crola, Dragon Slayer, Electra
Dead People: Don't froget to submit votes by the deadline.This is in12 hours from this post.(This is a slight extension, but I probably won't be able to spend time on this until then, so there's no sense cutting you off earlier than I have to).
Cam
You're implicitly admitting scum right here.Tactix wrote:Even if you think I am scum, I can't possibly be the last scum left in the game, since two people died after Day 2 ended. Who among Crola/Uraj/Axelrod/Drummer is scum? No matter what you think of me, there's scum among the other four of you somewhere.