Fire wrote:Why is posting a list helping mafia? WIFOM.
I know I've explained it somewhere... But it helps because it gives them info on who to NK in order to set up the next day's mislynch. and it is not WIFOM, it is fact. Posting a scum list right before a lynch is a dumb move. The only people who should do it are the person ebing lynched and the person(s) that are Nked. (And yes, I know no one knows if they will be Night killed which is why it's a dumb move by anyone)
Fire wrote:RE: the bolded part.. by your theory after a NK, why are you objecting to such lists if they "become obselete" in the next day?
Becuase they still lead to helping the scum choose and pick their NK and manufacture the next days mislynch. That combined with how obsolete they become only solidifies not doing it, not only does it help scum but it in no way helps town, A.K.A. Don't do it.
Fire wrote:This is stretching, you go on to vote me after I told you so much.
Stretching? it is in no way stetching what so ever. I gave you the opprotunity to answer it and you blew me off. If it was a stretch you should have corrected me then and there.
Fire wrote:Skimming through the thread since I was last active, I would say that the time spent has been spent well. Alot more discussion has gone on, and what will my flip give you? Again!
sadly I feel the extra discussion may lead to you walking, which is going to cause problems in the future... You flip will give town piece of mind if nothing else. You surviving until endgame will definitly decrease our odds of winning. And no, that is not the only reason I want you lynched, but it is a good thing to remember. You're flip also has a good chance of turning up scum, and in the event of turning up town you have been the most centered person today, meaning you will likely have connections to every player, thus giving us that much more to work with.
Fire wrote:Bollox.... Dumb, inane, vague... That explains quite alot of players in this game, ya know...
That was a loaded question. You know it. My "Vague, Inane" answer as you put it, was enough for such a question.
You are the only one of those players calling for more time though.
And it wasn't a loaded question, you could have easily corrected me. All i wanted to know was why you were asking such an obviously dumb question and what you planned on getting from it. (First I had to make sure that was in fact what you were asking though, hence why i asked you what I did)
You're responce neither confirmed nor denied what I observed as your question thus making it a completely useless answer and making you guilty of avoidance. Thusly wasting the time you were fighting for.
Fire wrote:I understood completely why I was asked to roleclaim back then.
However, it has been completely dismissed by some trying to 2nd guess the mod.
If you are talking about me, no. i've personally won games based on my role claim analysis, Clerks 2 and Fire-emblem in particular. Calling it second guessing the mod is a cop out and borderline strawman to my technique. Granted this is a Gorrad game, my analysis is bound to be flawed at some point. However, I am trying to inncorperate the games I have been in with him into my analysis but that won't help me until we massclaim.
And I have not "completely dismissed" your claim. Again if you were talking about me.
Fire wrote:I did not want to get too close to my PM, because of Mod repercussions.
Ive explained why I posted what I posted, but again, some see it as scummy, by saying its... scummy.
In one hand, there are people calling me idiotic and dumb, also saying I need to go to kindergarden, and in the next piece, they're claiming Im some kind of smart scum for concocting a plan to roleclaim????
Which is it guys?
... i don't understand why this is under my part... I don't remember calling you and idiot or dumb? if I did I'm sorry... i can get stressed out sometimes... And of course just because you excplained something doesn't auto make it ok...
Fire wrote:Is this directed at Bat or Alex? It was a reply to one of Alexhans posts.
Directed at Alex but Bat could respond to it if he wanted I guess.
[quote="Quote="Fire"]Again, why the rush?
Again, why do you "need the flip"?
I re-iterate that discussion has moved along quite nicely in this D1 since I last posted. Im pretty certain that what has been talked about in that time will have bearing in later game, as will what happened previous to it.
Dismissing it out of hand is just... wrong.
i don't personally believe this time is going to help us out. (the fact people seem to be going away from your lynch for instance)
If left alive you will become detremental to the town, or I hypothesis this. You may in fact become universally considered town, and in the event you are town this actually is good for us but I feel you are still likely scum and so i definitly feel if left alive you will be a major player on the lynching block at countless times in the future and if you survive until endgame will put town in danger.
Of course you would say that, your wagon is ebbing.
Sure it will, all discussion will. But I don't see why we can't put it on hold until tomorrow. I mean then we will also be able to use the info from your flip but from the night kill as well. In addition, by knowing your alignment I think most of the stuff going on right now will be greatly improved as far as usefulness. Which is more reason I am in bewilderment as to why we are not ending the day now and picking it up again tomorrow.
Fire wrote:And discussion IS good, always, everytime....
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No... it is not... Scum Run Discussion is alway detrimental and disasterous to the town. All my other examples, tl;dr, wow, and whatever else I said is also always bad. Discussion based on false assumptions and misinterpretations or misunderstandings will always lead to the wrong conclusions and thus is always bad. Do I need to go on? Discussion is not "always good, everytime" Cased closed. One truth prevails, yadda yadda... so on and so forth...
Fire wrote:In this game, the spotlight was only on M13 & I... how can discusiion after this be a bad thing?
If we're basing it on one of you flipping a hypothetical role it has the potential to be bad. And of course if my hypothesis is true and this new discusion leads to your wagon failing, and you survive until endgame... It could very well lose us the game if you are town. granted, the discussion also has the opprotunity of being good as well. I am not overlooking that, simply saying there is n reason not just to end the day and pick it up again tomorrow.
