Newbie 774 - Spegezzironi: Game Over! TOWN WINS!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Right I meant the BW. I haven't seen any strong arguments requiring my defense.

[sekinj]

Day 1: Vote Count 7

(# of votes against) Voted Player - by Voter(s)

(0) ckool5000 - by none
(0) Johoohno - by none
(2) cpe - by Lamont_Cranston, SensFan

(3) Lamont_Cranston - by Sotty7, Rustythepirate, cpe

(0) Perpetuum - by none
(0) Rustythepirate - by none
(0) SensFan - by none
(0) Sotty7 - by none
(1) muzzz - by Perpetuum

Not Voting: ckool5000; muzzz; Johoohno

With nine (9) citizens alive it takes

five (5) votes to lynch.

Day 1 Deadline: 5/09/09 12:00 PM CST

Mod Annoucements:
- Day 1 deadline has been correct from 4/27/09 to 5/09/09 (3 weeks per day)
- lailai has been replaced by cpe
- treeshavenotongues has been replaced by muzzz
- The mod appreciates the increased activity and thanks everyone for their efforts

Please PM me if I have missed anything.

[Rustythepirate]

The fact that you are at L-2 and two people that aren't voting for you have named you as their greatest suspects doesn't make you want to defend yourself? If you want more reasons, here you go.

You have followed players rather than posting your own unique viewpoints. Examples: voting ckool5000 immediately after SensFan, used SensFan's reasoning for voting for ckool5000 as your own, you strongly attack Johoohno while SensFan does, after players state that those you are voting for are not scummy you unvote/find another player to vote.

You accuse ckool5000 of lying on page 1 for supposedly faking his random.org results. Scum have no necessity to do this and you had no evidence to back up this claim. Worth noting is that ckool5000 did the random.org thing in Newbie 768 and was a townie.

When you are questioned, you avoid answering the question and instead cast suspicion on those questioning you. Example:

@ Lamont_Cranston: Do you see any risks with having ckool at L-2 on page two in a newbie game?

Now I'm wondering what the relationship might be between Johoolno & Ckool...

FoS:Johoolno

You refuse to defend your accusations when they are questioned. You don't explain why you are voting for someone when you vote for them.

When you do defend your reasoning much later on after intense questioning, you intentionally exaggerate to make your reasoning look valid. You use "random voting" as an example of possible scum behaivor.

What do you mean by this post?

He had posted NO content & made a huge deal out of using random.org to choose his post FOR him thus alleviating any responsibility for his vote (supposedly).

Though you were intent on ckool5000 being lynched, you advocate for Johoolno's lynch and vote for him, telling the town

However I just want to point out that I think the village will benefit from a vote on either ckool or johoolno at this time.

Yet you then state that you are sure he is town.

I'm sorry but I don't think Johoolno is scum. I'm practically certain he's village in fact.

You also claim that ckool5000 is town as well after attacking him strongly.

Before CPE arrived, I became convinced that the two BW choices were both Village.

Is there anything worth defending here?

[Lamont_Cranston]

The fact that you are at L-2 and two people that aren't voting for you have named you as their greatest suspects doesn't make you want to defend yourself? If you want more reasons, here you go.

Your vote is the only one I consider serious although I don't really see where you should be suspecting me as being Mafi.

You have followed players rather than posting your own unique viewpoints. Examples: voting ckool5000 immediately after SensFan, used SensFan's reasoning for voting for ckool5000 as your own, you strongly attack Johoohno while SensFan does, after players state that those you are voting for are not scummy you unvote/find another player to vote.

This is a total fabrication. I have backed up every vote I've made and it has had nothing to do with following anyone. I place my vote where I feel it will do the most good for the village.

You accuse ckool5000 of lying on page 1 for supposedly faking his random.org results. Scum have no necessity to do this and you had no evidence to back up this claim. Worth noting is that ckool5000 did the random.org thing in Newbie 768 and was a townie.

Yes and the dynamics of the game have changed since then. Remember, this is round 1.

Is there anything worth defending here?

I'm learning just as you are; I'm trying to gather as much information as I can before we head into D2.

[Johoohno]

The johoolno lynch was to easy. That give me a bad feeeling.

@ Lamon_Cranston:

Was it cpe's vote in post 97 alone that made the bandwagon too easy?

The fact that you are at L-2 and two people that aren't voting for you have named you as their greatest suspects doesn't make you want to defend yourself? If you want more reasons, here you go.

Your vote is the only one I consider serious although I don't really see where you should be suspecting me as being Mafi.

@ Lamon_Cranston:

What in Sotty7's vote makes you doubt the seriousness in it? You can actually comment on cpe's vote on you too while you're at it.

@ Perpetuum:

post 92 hasn't been commented by you yet.

[Lamont_Cranston]

The johoolno lynch was to easy. That give me a bad feeeling.

@ Lamon_Cranston:

Was it cpe's vote in post 97 alone that made the bandwagon too easy?

No it was the 24 hours of total silence immediately followed by his vote which was made with total disregard for the village in both your lynching and his own.

@ Lamon_Cranston:

What in Sotty7's vote makes you doubt the seriousness in it?

I just didn't see his arguments as very strong, just my opinion.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh CPE's vote on me is a simply retaliatory vote -- I voted him, he voted me in response, pretty simple.

[muzzz]

Right I meant the BW. I haven't seen any strong arguments requiring my defense.

I thought my arguments about you evading questions were strong enough.

This is a total fabrication. I have backed up every vote I've made and it has had nothing to do with following anyone. I place my vote where I feel it will do the most good for the village

It's not fabrication. Absolutely no-one here is understanding the reasons behind your vote. Maybe you feel that you've backed them up, but not to my satisfaction.

]No it was the 24 hours of total silence immediately followed by his vote which was made with total disregard for the village in both your lynching and his own.

What makes you think his vote was made with "disregard for the village"? Do you have any proof?

Your vote is the only one I consider serious.

I'll give you another one then.

Vote: Lamont

[Lamont_Cranston]

Muzz I shouldn't have to explain to you why CPE got me vote, it should be obvious to anyone who is paying attention.

Excellent righteous indignation. We'll see how righteious you are when I flip village.

Try analyzing the game for yourself instead of asking me to do it for you.

[Lamont_Cranston]

From reading around a lot on the forum, I've observed that following SensFan is often a good idea. Also, there isn't much to go on at this point, and moving the game on would be good, that suggests voting for person with most votes just to get a lynching, any lynching, so that the game progresses, maybe not the best tactics, but if we have to lynch someone to progress th game, and with little solid to go on, well, lets lynch the person it looks like it may be quickest to lynch.

If the above gets me lynched, well that will progress the game too.

Has this post somehow escaped your expert analysis? All I've done from the start of this game is work very hard to get as much evidence as I possibly could to identify scum for tomorrow's analysis and if you or anyone else think that somehow I deserve the lynch instead of someone who posts like the above, then I seriously cannot help you but you really do need help.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh and by the way, I claim:

<--- Vanillager

[cpe]

There's a problem with the claim of vanilla villager, while it's the most likely thing for any given pro-town to be, it's also the most likely position a scum would claim, as they're not going to claim scum, and other positions are normally open to CC.

I am however perhaps worried that things are going a little fast, (my view that a fast lynch would be good has been changed, as an accurate lynch would be far better), but I have no one else to vote for really, so, it's a choice between not voting and stying on L_C, so, for now I'll stay on L_C. If I choose to not vote at this point it could be taken as an attempt to get someone else on him so I can hammer.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw, nothing personal CPE after all this is just a game and nothing against you personally; I just believe that in game things should be taken very seriously.

[cpe]

Btw, nothing personal CPE after all this is just a game and nothing against you personally; I just believe that in game things should be taken very seriously.

Oh I often takes games very seriously... I won't take it personally if you take things seriously.

I agree that above post of mine did look suspicious, I'd like to ascribe it to me being inexperienced, I know it's a bad explanation, but it's really all I can give. I was thinking more info = we can analyse more, we'll have more info after day 1 ends, so lets end day 1, it was really a bad idea of course, as there will be less info to analyse on day 2 if day 1 ends fast. Also, I thought following an experienced player could be a good idea as a newbie, thinking about things, that could well be what you were doing, and with that in mind.

Unvote: Lamont_Cranston

[sekinj]

Notice: Perpetuum has been prodded.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well since you brought it up and unvoted me, I will say I haven't been following anyone even though I do look up to Sensfan. I was more than aware that it appeared I was following him when I made my vote change but my vote change was more important than over-cautiousness due to appearances.

[Lamont_Cranston]

UNVOTE

[SensFan]

Vote: L_C

I now support a lynch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

You forgot to unvote first

[cpe]

I'm going to stand by my analysis that the possible scum tells from L_C were similar to ways in which I have acted and just suggest inexperiences and not scum.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@sensfan: and so you support a lynch when I flip villager then?

I will also say that I have noticed that Sensfan has been rather abrasive with people that have inquired about his game behavior. If anyone else has noticed this and would like to vote him, I will join in that. Othwerwise at this point I am open to ideas.

[SensFan]

@sensfan: and so you support a lynch when I flip villager then?

No, I don't support lynching a dead villager. You're not dead, nor necessarily a villager. Stop appealing to emotion.

I will also say that I have noticed that Sensfan has been rather abrasive with people that have inquired about his game behavior.

Examples?

If anyone else has noticed this and would like to vote him, I will join in that. Othwerwise at this point I am open to ideas.

"If there's enough support for a Sens wagon, I'll jump on that. If not, I'll need to find another wagon to jump on."

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'll appeal to the truth thank you because you will have to deal with it when I flip villager.

Johoolno inquired about your behavior and you were very aggressive with him. You became extremely aggressive with CPE. Its almost like you are trying to place yourself above criticism.

If someone else sees this aggressive behavior as a scum tell then I am willing to explore this possibility. Otherwise I am re-gathering myself and am not sure where to go atm.

[Lamont_Cranston]

But I will say that I don't believe Johoolno is scum.

[cpe]

I agree on the suggestion of SensFan aggression, especially having been the target of it...

VOTE: SensFan