MKM II GAME OVER

[Shadow Knight]

I'm here. Just waiting for tajo to finish whatever he's doing so we can continue.

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-Shinnen_no_Me (2): Riceballtail, Surye
-Gorrad (2): Empking, ortolan
-zwetschenwasser (2): Shinnen_no_Me, AceMarksman
-Empking (1): zwetschenwasser
-AceMarksman (1): Shadow Knight
-killa seven (1): qwints
-ortolan (1): populartajo
-Cream147 (1): semioldguy

Not voting (6): killa seven, Moratorium, WeyounsLastClone, Cream147, Gorrad, caf19

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[Empking]

@Empking

What made you change your mind about refusing to share whether you had knowledge of Bowser's Castle items to now saying that you don't have the item descriptions?

Not completing an almost complete claim is worse than a full claim.

Zwet: When did the no itemers claim to be power roles?

[populartajo]

Kay. Im here. Let me think some before I can come up with the second part of the plan.

For now, please tell me if you agree or disagree with the following pre-plan:

There are two possibilities here:

Possibility 1)Scum have item descriptions in their PMs. Therefore they are in the

People with items descriptions

list along with some people like me and Mora, for example) that are obv town.

I sincerely doubt this is happening since a)People with items description know that if scum know one of the items description it will be likely useless and b) the majority of people in the list feel town.

However this possibility can still exist and there could be some pesky scum lying about having item descriptions so thats why we go to the part 2 of our plan. We question people in the list about the nature of the items. Simple yes or no questions without giving scum too much information.

In the end of this part of the plan, its likely we will have at least a decent number of confirmed townies and a possible lying scum.

Possibility 2)Scum dont have item descriptions in their PMs. Therefore they either are either in

People with no items descriptions

list or in the

refusing to.

list

I think this is the most possible scenario we are facing since we have a decent number of people disagreeing with the plan and a decent number of people not having items descriptions in their PMs. I think we have all our scumgroup in this list.

Now, how did Lawrencelot prevent this from happening? Well, my theory is that he didnt give all town all the item description (thats one of the reasons why we also could have the item letter) so its likely that there are some scum and some townies in the "people with no items description" list.

So, agree/disagree?

[Moratorium]

That was hard to read.. please tell me if this is correct..

You think it is most likely that...

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People with items description
Tajo
Zwet
Qwints
caf19
semioldguypacman
Surye
Moratorium
WLC

...these people are mostly if not all town...

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People with no items description
Gorrad
Ace
Shadow Knight
Empking

Refusing to
Ortolan
Shinnen
K7
Cream
Rice

...and these people are a mix of scum and town?

I'm fine with that. There could be exceptions or gambit play, but in general it's a safe enough assumption generally.

[Moratorium]

EBWOP: Generally general generalness.

[Shadow Knight]

So to recap:

You've managed to slow down day 1 EVEN FURTHER for a plan that you hadn't even THOUGHT THROUGH?!?!

And you came up with:

Some town have item descriptions.
Some town may not have item descriptions.
Some scum may be lying about having item descriptions.

And you propose to test them by asking yes/no questions about items (giving scum a 50/50 shot at being considered confirmed).

I'm gonna go with no, I'm not playing your little game any more. You held up day 1 with a plan that basically did nothing and will continue to do nothing. You came up with the virtual equivalent of polling 20 people about numbers and coming up with:

Some numbers are even.
Some numbers may not be even.
Some odd numbers may be prime.

Congratu-freaking-lations.

I'm actually fighting the urge to vote you right now. The only saving grace is that I don't think scum would have tried to pull that off without having an exit strategy.

[populartajo]

That was hard to read.. please tell me if this is correct..

You think it is most likely that...

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People with items description
Tajo
Zwet
Qwints
caf19
semioldguypacman
Surye
Moratorium
WLC

...these people are mostly if not all town...

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People with no items description
Gorrad
Ace
Shadow Knight
Empking

Refusing to
Ortolan
Shinnen
K7
Cream
Rice

...and these people are a mix of scum and town?

I'm fine with that. There could be exceptions or gambit play, but in general it's a safe enough assumption generally.

Yes. Its a decent start.

[populartajo]

So to recap:

You've managed to slow down day 1 EVEN FURTHER for a plan that you hadn't even THOUGHT THROUGH?!?!

And you came up with:

Some town have item descriptions.
Some town may not have item descriptions.
Some scum may be lying about having item descriptions.

And you propose to test them by asking yes/no questions about items (giving scum a 50/50 shot at being considered confirmed).

I'm gonna go with no, I'm not playing your little game any more. You held up day 1 with a plan that basically did nothing and will continue to do nothing. You came up with the virtual equivalent of polling 20 people about numbers and coming up with:

Some numbers are even.
Some numbers may not be even.
Some odd numbers may be prime.

Congratu-freaking-lations.

I'm actually fighting the urge to vote you right now. The only saving grace is that I don't think scum would have tried to pull that off without having an exit strategy.

Why so negative?
You thought I would find all the scum 100% in day 1?
Add shadowknight to the ortolan scumteam.

[Shadow Knight]

All the scum 100%? No. But if you say you have a plan, have a PLAN. Not the beginnings of a plan that might catch scum if they're lying or unlucky. That's too many ifs. I hate day 1's and that seriously made me feel like you extended it by a week or more.

[populartajo]

Also, this interchange of ideas has not been zero productive AT ALL. At this point and only analysing reactions to a plan that improves town odds of winning, I think that I have a list of semiconfirmed townies which incluyde the following players:

Town

Moratorium
Zwet
qwints
caf19
Surye
Gorrad

Neutral

Ace
Empking
Shinnen
Cream
Rice

Prob scum

Shinnen
Ortolan
Shadow Knight
K7

[qwints]

So, tajo, how do you propose we verify those who've claimed that they have item descriptions?

[populartajo]

All the scum 100%? No. But if you say you have a plan, have a PLAN. Not the beginnings of a plan that might catch scum if they're lying or unlucky. That's too many ifs. I hate day 1's and that seriously made me feel like you extended it by a week or more.

Whats wrong with a plan that

might

catch scum?

[populartajo]

So, tajo, how do you propose we verify those who've claimed that they have item descriptions?

Im still thinking on it. You have any idea?

[Riceballtail]

Let me think some before I can come up with the second part of the plan.

Does this not bother anyone else? Did he really just ask us all for information, and then not know what he was going to do with it? Sorry, but this is really anti-town to me.

Also, sorry for not being around much right now, been working on getting my mini up and running.

[populartajo]

Let me think some before I can come up with the second part of the plan.

Does this not bother anyone else? Did he really just ask us all for information, and then not know what he was going to do with it? Sorry, but this is really anti-town to me.

Also, sorry for not being around much right now, been working on getting my mini up and running.

You guys are being so freaking negative its just not fair.
I know what we are going to do next. We confirm people in the list that has item descriptions.
PAY ATTENTION.

[Moratorium]

Neutral

Ace
Empking
Shinnen
Cream
Rice

Prob scum

Shinnen
Ortolan
Shadow Knight
K7

Cream and K7 are basically lurking through the game, why do you have one of them as neutral and the other as prob scum?

[populartajo]

Neutral

Ace
Empking
Shinnen
Cream
Rice

Prob scum

Shinnen
Ortolan
Shadow Knight
K7

Cream and K7 are basically lurking through the game, why do you have one of them as neutral and the other as prob scum?

K7 is a friend of mine. Its impossible he missed my posts and he talks of other stuff when he logs back. This behavior is even worst than refusing to have item descriptions.
Cream, in the other hand, has not posted in a while and its possible that he is really busy in real life. I liked his first posts.

[Shadow Knight]

All the scum 100%? No. But if you say you have a plan, have a PLAN. Not the beginnings of a plan that might catch scum if they're lying or unlucky. That's too many ifs. I hate day 1's and that seriously made me feel like you extended it by a week or more.

Whats wrong with a plan that

might

catch scum?

Read the whole sentence. It *might* catch scum *if* they're lying or unlucky. You're basing this entire theory on the hope that scum *don't* have enough information to survive. You can put me under whatever category you want, but being annoyed at you for coming up with a half-assed plan that did nothing but point out several people that can buy items.

[populartajo]

All the scum 100%? No. But if you say you have a plan, have a PLAN. Not the beginnings of a plan that might catch scum if they're lying or unlucky. That's too many ifs. I hate day 1's and that seriously made me feel like you extended it by a week or more.

Whats wrong with a plan that

might

catch scum?

Read the whole sentence. It *might* catch scum *if* they're lying or unlucky. You're basing this entire theory on the hope that scum *don't* have enough information to survive. You can put me under whatever category you want, but being annoyed at you for coming up with a half-assed plan that did nothing but point out several people that can buy items.

Propose a better plan.
Okthxbay.

[populartajo]

All the scum 100%? No. But if you say you have a plan, have a PLAN. Not the beginnings of a plan that might catch scum if they're lying or unlucky. That's too many ifs. I hate day 1's and that seriously made me feel like you extended it by a week or more.

Whats wrong with a plan that

might

catch scum?

Read the whole sentence. It *might* catch scum *if* they're lying or unlucky. You're basing this entire theory on the hope that scum *don't* have enough information to survive. You can put me under whatever category you want, but being annoyed at you for coming up with a half-assed plan that did nothing but point out several people that can buy items.

And what about if scum dont have enough information to survive?
Why are you so against a plan that at least

might

get some scum.
WHY?

[AceMarksman]

I actually like pop tajo's plan, but we need to make sure there isn't any scum hiding in the upper list. We need a way to quiz every single person on that list without revealing anything to the scum.

Law: would tajo's letter naming plan get a modkill?

I might have to say I think there are more scum in the "don't have item descriptions" list than in the "refusing to" list. So, I propose we
1)figure out a way (that won't get us modkilled or reveal information) to test the "have item description" people. Lynch those who fail unless law out thought us somehow.
2)lynch the scummiest player from the "does not have item descriptions" list.
3)lynch the scummiest player from the "refuses" list.

opinions?

[AceMarksman]

EBWOP: this plan is secondary to a lynch of a player who is likely or obvscum.

[populartajo]

I actually like pop tajo's plan, but we need to make sure there isn't any scum hiding in the upper list. We need a way to quiz every single person on that list without revealing anything to the scum.

Law: would tajo's letter naming plan get a modkill?

I might have to say I think there are more scum in the "don't have item descriptions" list than in the "refusing to" list. So, I propose we
1)figure out a way (that won't get us modkilled or reveal information) to test the "have item description" people. Lynch those who fail unless law out thought us somehow.
2)lynch the scummiest player from the "does not have item descriptions" list.
3)lynch the scummiest player from the "refuses" list.

opinions?

This is a good suggestion. But first we need to confirm if we can trust enough people in the "I have items description" list. Id like everyone to check in and comment before proceding with the next step of the plan.

In the meanwhile, ortolan still needs to die.

[AceMarksman]

But first we need to confirm if we can trust enough people in the "I have items description" list

This is why step 1 is there.

[populartajo]

But first we need to confirm if we can trust enough people in the "I have items description" list

This is why step 1 is there.

KK
Who do you think is scum?