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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:11 am

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Popularity Mafia


Only goons and vanillas (perhaps 3 goons and 9 vanillas?).

Day works as always (random voting, tempered arguments, voting and lynching - well you know the drill)

At night EVERYONE sends in a person they wants to have nightkill immunity, and the one with most immunity supporters gets the immunity that night. You shouldn't be able to vouch for yourself.

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Pretty cool idea actually. I'd say the mafia shouldn't get popularity votes at night though, because they can just all popvote the same person and almost certainly make him the winner, then shoot someone else. Otherwise I endorse this setup.
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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:33 am

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OhGodMyLife wrote:
Johoohno wrote:
Popularity Mafia


Only goons and vanillas (perhaps 3 goons and 9 vanillas?).

Day works as always (random voting, tempered arguments, voting and lynching - well you know the drill)

At night EVERYONE sends in a person they wants to have nightkill immunity, and the one with most immunity supporters gets the immunity that night. You shouldn't be able to vouch for yourself.

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Pretty cool idea actually. I'd say the mafia shouldn't get popularity votes at night though, because they can just all popvote the same person and almost certainly make him the winner, then shoot someone else. Otherwise I endorse this setup.
Good point, now that I'm wide awake I see that too!
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:54 pm

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Johoohno wrote:
Popularity Mafia


Only goons and vanillas (perhaps 3 goons and 9 vanillas?).

Day works as always (random voting, tempered arguments, voting and lynching - well you know the drill)

At night EVERYONE sends in a person they wants to have nightkill immunity, and the one with most immunity supporters gets the immunity that night. You shouldn't be able to vouch for yourself.

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I agree that only townies should get the right to immunity vote, and I think it would be interesting if the winner was public information in the same post where the NK deathscene was posted. This could potentially go a long way towards confirming someone as town... for example "Mirth was was voted NK immune. There was no NK." would prety much mean that Mirth was the NK target, barring some scum gambit of not killing because they expected one of their members to win the Nk immunity election. Could be interesting play.

Perhaps 2:7 instead of 3:9?
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:56 pm

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meh I don't like town only voting mechanisms confirmed by the mod. Basically each day starts with the town claiming who they voted for. Then by process of elimination across days they can tease out whose votes didn't actually count and were thus scum. It drags gameplay. See Presidentmaker for such a situation.
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:57 am

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Make it public.

Immunityvote: shaft.ed
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:06 am

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I agree with CES, (see basically communism mafia)

Simple Sanity Issues


3 Mafia (One Role Blocker)

1 Cop (50% Sane, 50% Insane)
8 Town
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:58 am

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Max wrote:I agree with CES, (see basically communism mafia)

Simple Sanity Issues


3 Mafia (One Role Blocker)

1 Cop (50% Sane, 50% Insane)
8 Town
So Pie only a lot worse for the town?
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:18 am

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Empking, it's basically Strawberry Mafia (Remove the Vanilla that was going to be there but I copied from another set-up)

Which is a simple proven set-up, it just adds a layer of texture and doubt and prevents clearing some roles within 2 days, and prevents everyone being cleared in endgame
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:47 am

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Max wrote:Empking, it's basically Strawberry Mafia (Remove the Vanilla that was going to be there but I copied from another set-up)

Which is a simple proven set-up, it just adds a layer of texture and doubt and prevents clearing some roles within 2 days, and prevents everyone being cleared in endgame
So its strawberry but even worse for the town?

(Yeah, its definitely not Pie.)
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:15 am

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It provides basic sanity issues, it isn't worse for the town, because the cop would claim until they have a guilty, whereas with this they'd wait two or three nights before claiming
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:21 am

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If the cop doesn't get three nights worth of investigations he's a lot worse.
Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:29 am

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Cake E9


1 RBer
1 Goon

1 Tracker
1 Watcher
5 Townies

Needlessly Complicated


2 Mafia - RB instead of NK - Wins at 50% or 1 M, 1 T, 1 SK going into the day.

1 SK

1 Cop
3 Townies
Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:32 am

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Empking wrote:
Cake E9


1 RBer
1 Goon

1 Tracker
1 Watcher
5 Townies
Tracker claims and town wins
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:35 am

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dahill1 wrote:
Empking wrote:
Cake E9


1 RBer
1 Goon

1 Tracker
1 Watcher
5 Townies
Tracker claims and town wins
How so?

(Scum can do nothing and get 2:5 which isn't bad.)
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:53 am

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Empking wrote:
dahill1 wrote:
Empking wrote:
Cake E9


1 RBer
1 Goon

1 Tracker
1 Watcher
5 Townies
Tracker claims and town wins
How so?

(Scum can do nothing and get 2:5 which isn't bad.)
Tracker claims and the watcher watches him that night. That means that the mafia can't kill or block the tracker without outing themselves. See?
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:46 am

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dahill1 wrote:
Empking wrote:
dahill1 wrote:
Empking wrote:
Cake E9


1 RBer
1 Goon

1 Tracker
1 Watcher
5 Townies
Tracker claims and town wins
How so?

(Scum can do nothing and get 2:5 which isn't bad.)
Tracker claims and the watcher watches him that night. That means that the mafia can't kill or block the tracker without outing themselves. See?
I'm still not seeing what's so bad about that.
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:54 am

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Empking wrote:I'm still not seeing what's so bad about that.
...
Town have a confirmed power-role that can lead the town and can't die until the watcher does.
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:36 am

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Watcher is too good to be in an open setup.
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:52 am

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Tracker/watcher is even worse as cop doc, as this doctor (the watcher) finds one scum in that case...
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:24 am

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dahill1 wrote:
Empking wrote:I'm still not seeing what's so bad about that.
...
Town have a confirmed power-role that can lead the town and can't die until the watcher does.
Town leaders (unless they're Glork or something) aren't good for the town.

Plus Tracker claim then NL gives town 33%(?) if scum kill the tracker.

Myk: You're wrong as scum won't kill the Tracker/Cop in either case.

Charter: It can't be better than a cop.
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:47 am

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You're caught up too much in percentages and stats.

A confirmed town power-role IS good for the town and even more so that scum can't even touch him without sacrificing themselves. In this setup, tracker is basically the same as the cop since he only gets results on scum and the watcher. And he'll know he has the watcher once it shows that the person has visited him.
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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:44 am

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dahill1 wrote:You're caught up too much in percentages and stats.

A confirmed town power-role IS good for the town and even more so that scum can't even touch him without sacrificing themselves.
And if they do sacrifise themselves (presuming a no lynch day one) they'll almost surely win.
In this setup, tracker is basically the same as the cop since he only gets results on scum and the watcher.
Apart from since the Tracker has neutralized the watcher one of them can be a godfather.
And he'll know he has the watcher once it shows that the person has visited him.
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:59 am

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How in the hell do they win if they kill themselves? And there's a GF??

Can someone else please explain this to him
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:59 am

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dahill1 wrote:How in the hell do they win if they kill themselves? And there's a GF??

Can someone else please explain this to him
I never said kill themselves, I said "sacrifice"

No there's not a GF but in this set up a mafia that doesn't take actions is as good as a GF.
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:27 am

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Empking wrote:
dahill1 wrote:How in the hell do they win if they kill themselves? And there's a GF??

Can someone else please explain this to him
I never said kill themselves, I said "sacrifice"
Well if they attack the tracker they are as good as dead.
Empking wrote:No there's not a GF but in this set up a mafia that doesn't take actions is as good as a GF.
lol yeah but then THE MAFIA CAN'T KILL

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