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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:37 am

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He's your opportunistic bussing scumbuddy, of course.

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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:41 am

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And you people were sceptical of me. Lets try again, except with spirit this time.
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:42 am

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KUMBAYA>>
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:44 am

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I actually felt that he was innocent based off of his reaction initially, but his recent two posts don't seem like the logical pro-town view to me. If he is town I am curious as to why he thinks the mafia have some way to know what the items are before building them, because if he has the same information as me I don't know where he is drawing that assumption from. Also as town, if he has a strong feeling of someone's suspicion, I don't see why he would need to wait for someone else to agree with him first before committing his own vote.
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:56 am

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semioldguy wrote:What makes you "pretty sure" they can find out instead of just not knowing whether or not they could?
Well, if our scum have half a brain between them, they already know what box contains what item. From the first page:
mod wrote: The following devices may or may not be included in the game:
Tazer (NK)
Medkit (Protection)
Terminal (Investigation)
Force Field (Bulletproof)
Sentry (Watcher)
Jammer (Roleblock)
Spybot (Tracker)
Stasis Cell (Jailkeeper)
Comm Device (Mason Recruiter) -- NOTE: This allows night communication, and does not guarantee any role information.
Teleporter (Hider)
AED (Reviver)
Looking at the instructions, I'm pretty sure you can figure out what goes in which box, so claiming would give scum all the information they need.

As for waiting to vote, I wanted to see what someone else thought first (looking back, zwet wasn't the best player to get reactions from, but whatever).
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:59 am

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That's a great noncommittal stance on opportunistic bandwagoning, Ace.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:03 am

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zwetschenwasser wrote:That's a great noncommittal stance on opportunistic bandwagoning, Ace.
FoS: Ace
1)how was it opportunistic?
2)how was it a noncommittal stance?
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:09 am

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You know how.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:11 am

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In reference to post 129:

(1) It states that those items may or MAY NOT be included in this game.

(2) That's only 11 items to 12 boxes, meaning some different boxes probably build the same item, and more if we don't actually have all those items in this game.

(3) Everyone has a different set of 7 boxes. Even if you kill the person who started with one color box there will likely be several others who had that same colored box in their group of seven.

(4) Having the instructions to a box still doesn't mean you know what the box makes.

I don't understand how ANYONE can know at this point that any item belongs to a specific box color.
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:14 am

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What do the instructions give you?
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:21 am

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I'm guessing the instructions let me make what's inside the box of the color it is attached to. My instructions don't tell me what item that is.
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:36 am

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semioldguy wrote:In reference to post 129:

(1) It states that those items may or MAY NOT be included in this game.

(2) That's only 11 items to 12 boxes, meaning some different boxes probably build the same item, and more if we don't actually have all those items in this game.

(3) Everyone has a different set of 7 boxes. Even if you kill the person who started with one color box there will likely be several others who had that same colored box in their group of seven.

(4) Having the instructions to a box still doesn't mean you know what the box makes.

I don't understand how ANYONE can know at this point that any item belongs to a specific box color.
I'm going to answer these points in an order that's easier to follow

4)You can infer what the box does from it's instructions
1)But the chance is high that most were included. If the scum know the instructions, then they can figure out what's in the boxes.
2)But the scum still know what instructions go with each box and can infer what device goes with it.
3)We only got one instruction sheet, however. I don't know how hard it is to make these devices, and the scum know that there's only a 100% chance of making our color box.

Are you really still trying to get a box claim here? do you realize how scummy it is?
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:37 am

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semioldguy wrote:I'm guessing the instructions let me make what's inside the box of the color it is attached to. My instructions don't tell me what item that is.
That's odd, I can't even see my instructions in my PM. Slip perhaps?
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:41 am

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No, I am not trying to get a box claim anymore.

@Ace: Can you infer what your own box does by its instructions? (A simple yes/no will do)
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:43 am

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I didn't get any instructions with my box, I'm just guessing here.
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:46 am

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Riceballtail Post 1 wrote:During the night phase, all of the inventors will go to their individual workrooms and be tasked with creating one of the devices that was provided to them in their patented box-o-stuff. Each box contains 7 smaller boxes with assorted things in them. Odds are that there are devices in them, as you have to try and figure out how to build the device. Unfortunately,
you are only given instructions on how to build one of the devices
(the one that matches your box color). The scum cheated and have instructions to all of their devices, however.
My instructions don't say anything about what my item does. It is merely mentioned that I have them.
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:48 am

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So, wait, are our instructions given to us and we have to follow them, or do we just say "I wish to make device X which I have instructions for" and it's made?
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:48 am

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Everybody should have gotten instructions attached to one of their boxes. If you are claiming not to, then I don't think you can be town.

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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:50 am

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All my pm says is that I got a [blank] colored box with instructions taped to it.
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:53 am

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AceMarksman Post 139 wrote:I didn't get any instructions with my box, I'm just guessing here.
AceMarksman Post 143 wrote:All my pm says is that I got a [blank] colored box with instructions taped to it.
Can't be both.
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:01 pm

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AceMarksman Post 136 wrote:
semioldguy wrote:(4) Having the instructions to a box still doesn't mean you know what the box makes.
4)You can infer what the box does from it's instructions
Actually I can't, are you suggesting that you can?
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:21 pm

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I thought we were going to get written instructions (like in the red box there will be part x y and z, you have to put them together in the order of z, x, y in order to make the device work). This is why I thought I didn't get my instructions.
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:31 pm

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farside22 wrote:
Tarhalindur wrote:
farside22 wrote:
zwetschenwasser wrote:
farside22 wrote:Oh no's Zwetshenwasser here.

vote: Zwetshenwasser

Trouble they name is Zwet. :lol:
You spelled my name wrong.
Vote: farside
OMG so did the mod

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ZEEnon wrote:
Empking wrote:For voting in red.
Get ready, all my votes will be formatted like that.
Empking is widely known for jumping on anything early and not let it go.

You have been warned.
You're not town.

Unvote, Vote: farside
Both statements were fact. One in jest as I copied a pasted the name from the mod list and 1 is a fact in my eyes if you ever read any game Emp in I have been you will see I feel this way about him for very common and well known reasons.
Obviously lead on a no tell lets see who followed and why.
Just because something is a statement of fact doesn't mean it's not scummy.

Why make these posts if you're town? While I see some content here, I don't see GAME content - and yes, there's a difference (see: IIoA).

Also, the tone of these posts is pinging my scumdar: making light of a vote on you/giving "friendly" info to another player?
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:33 pm

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ZazieR wrote:Then why didn't you mention it up until now? And you still haven't answered why you FoSed Ace.
I suspect AceMarksman for the same reason I voted.
He seemed to support the policy lynch on zwetschenwasser or empking, while I stand firmly against policy lynches.
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My PM mentions instructions as well, yet I am not provided with any.
I think the instructions will be provided to us during the night after we choose which one we want to use.
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:33 pm

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farside22 wrote:
Tarhalindur wrote:
AceMarksman wrote:tar, how do you jump to this conclusion?
Wording, wording, wording. I did not jump to this conclusion, because that implies that my conclusion is not solid enough to be considered valid. There are two reasons at work here: intuition and a double check by checking past farside games.

The intuition comes into play because, when I looked at those two posts, my first thought was "those two posts DO NOT come from a townie". Given a number of my recent games, I'm willing to go with this - in Mafia 87, Medieval Mafia, and Mind Screw Gaiden I clicked onto a scum intuitively (Vi in 87, scotmany in Medieval, Isacc in Gaiden) and backed off when reading logically led to uncertainty, so I'm trying out what happens when I DON'T back off this game.

The double-check comes from a read of about 10 recent farside games - AFAICT, she's NEVER this jokey during the random vote stage.
That is so not true. I have learned to relax and have more fun in random voting especially Zwet and Emp. Sorry not a policy lynch more of an anti-town persona. Also knowing a few players as i do in any game I have joke voted more often then not.
DGB vote in a game that was night 0 and she was still alive. I joked about her being scum since she was alive.
I was town in that game. so you conclusion lacks true meta on me.
Medieveal mafia I didn't care and I stated that umteeth times in the game.
1) I never said you didn't joke in other games. I said you're joking MORE here. There's a difference.
LeakingGoofball wrote:I feel the pressure on Farside is just
I personally feel that a lynch on zwet or emp is far better for the first day. So, to advocate this policy

I
Unvote: semioldguy
then I
Vote: Empking
Now this is the weirdest comment of the bunch. You feel the pressure on me is just, don't vote for me and don't say why it's just.
This post looks like someone attempting to scum hunt but doing it poorly

unvote:
vote: LeakingGoofball
Poor scumhunting is not a scumtell. Calling poor scumhunting a scumtell, however, IS a scumtell.
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