MKM II GAME OVER

[zwetschenwasser]

There are scummier people than SK right now, quints.

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-ortolan (5): populartajo, Shadow Knight, AceMarksman, zwetschenwasser, Gorrad
-Shadow Knight (5): Moratorium, ortolan, Looker, qwints, semioldguy
-Looker (2): Riceballtail, caf19
-Gorrad (1): Empking

Not voting (4): killa seven, WeyounsLastClone, Cream147, ZEEnon

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch. Deadline: May 4th 2009.

[populartajo]

There are scummier people than SK right now, quints.

Impress me.

[zwetschenwasser]

You, for example.

[AceMarksman]

You, for example.

This is why zwet as a policy lynch is a good idea.

[populartajo]

You, for example.

Only me?

[zwetschenwasser]

There are a few other mildly scummy people.

[populartajo]

There are a few other mildly scummy people.

Impress me.

[zwetschenwasser]

RBC and k7, for example.

[ortolan]

two

That's not what I make it. Either you are scum or misunderstood the question, which is possible because it is slightly open to interpretation. Perhaps this will help: Is the poison shroom one of the 'two' in your answer?

If you're going to ask the questions you should definitely pay more attention and avoid coming up with ambiguous ones. The poison shroom is not one, however if you read the text of the first and second items, the text of the second item implies that this applies to the first item (as well as the last one)

[ortolan]

EBWOP: the fact that it applies to the last one is not implied by the second one but by the last one's own content. Either way, the answer is in fact two with close reading.

[qwints]

Mod, can you prod Cream? He's being replaced in another game

[Gorrad]

Ortolan, in Election Mafia you posted long posts full of specific quotes and reasoning. Reasoning that I did not agree with, but reasoning nonetheless. Here you have, with some exceptions, short posts with very little reasoning.

I'm from Austin. I was visiting San Diego for the weekend, hence my V/LA.

[ortolan]

Ortolan, in Election Mafia you posted long posts full of specific quotes and reasoning. Reasoning that I did not agree with, but reasoning nonetheless. Here you have, with some exceptions, short posts with very little reasoning.

That is not a good reason, at all, is blatantly contradicted by my scum meta (which I also pointed out in Election Mafia, when this

exact

same accusation came up, and indeed earlier in this game, when, again, this

exact

same accusation came up:

I've noticed something about your play, ort. In all the other games i've seen you in, your posts are very long and post large and well thought-out cases. Here, you're lurking and not making an effort to make a case. I find this suspicious.

I'm highly offended you think I'm dumb enough for this "tell" to have any merit whatsoever. I've been effectively mislynched (forced to claim cop in Election Mafia) before for similar reasons (and it was a very, very scum-driven wagon IIRC).

The same things are happening in this game as were when I last posted- tajo is pursuing a mass-claim plan of which I am somewhat unsure of the motivations (taking time out to direct suspicion at me because I am skeptical that an obvious plan which relies on the mod not foreseeing it will help us). While this is the main focus of the game there's not much else to do now is there (although I will admit being busy has also impacted on my ability to contribute to this and other games).

And when ShadowKnight makes a post like that I am not going to indulge him by beating around the bush and suggesting it's rather the sort of a thing a mafioso would do, I am going to vote him, because he is obv-scum. You should be commending me for voting a scumbag and joining the wagon, not bringing in a shallow and incorrect meta argument.

So, basically, come up with something better scumbag. I would rather lynch you than he, because I have played with you before and prefer to lynch the scum you know than the scum you don't, but he is also desirable.

[ortolan]

and ironically that accusation was actually partly the reason I was "lynched" in Election Mafia, so how you can say my play differs in this game and therefore makes me scum is beyond me.

[killa seven]

Im catching up, been busy.

Btw, is K7 the original zwets? Are they cousins? Or maybe Zwets signed on to some sort of K7 apprenticeship program?

dont insult me.

[ortolan]

LOL

[Riceballtail]

Zwet is the new Gimbo, not K7. Empking is on the K7 program though.

I am interested in why Zwet finds me scummy though (assuming that I'm RBC...).

As for what looks like the two current wagons, I would probably vote for either. I don't think either case is particularly strong though.

Also, while my mind is on it,

unvote

, as that was my random vote that I never got around to removing. Would like to hear from looker again though.

[Lawrencelot]

Prodded Cream

[Shadow Knight]

@Quints- I have abso-freaking-lutely nothing to do right now. What would you like me to do? I don't have item descriptions, and I've already expressed my thoughts on who I think is scummiest right now. Since all the talk is primarily about something I don't know anything about, I find it hard to chime in with fresh thoughts. I attempted to play along and all that happened is people jumped on me for being honest. I never claimed I had an airtight case on orto. I flat out said "its a gut vote". Make a case on someone or catch a scum with the item questions and I'll be happy to change my vote and put it to good/better use, but till then I'll let it sit with my only lead, no matter how crappy the reason is for it to be there.

[populartajo]

two

That's not what I make it. Either you are scum or misunderstood the question, which is possible because it is slightly open to interpretation. Perhaps this will help: Is the poison shroom one of the 'two' in your answer?

If you're going to ask the questions you should definitely pay more attention and avoid coming up with ambiguous ones. The poison shroom is not one, however if you read the text of the first and second items, the text of the second item implies that this applies to the first item (as well as the last one)

Please can you be more concise and less ambiguous?
Can we ask him another question?

[Moratorium]

Enough questions. Several players have been confirmed.

We have 6 days to deadline.

Can we start using that time to concentrate discussion on our next lynch? If we have to, we can always take up trying to confirm townies later, but we can't ask Day 1 questions later.. because later will be Day 2.

@Quints- I have abso-freaking-lutely nothing to do right now. What would you like me to do? I don't have item descriptions, and I've already expressed my thoughts on who I think is scummiest right now. Since all the talk is primarily about something I don't know anything about, I find it hard to chime in with fresh thoughts. I attempted to play along and all that happened is people jumped on me for being honest. I never claimed I had an airtight case on orto. I flat out said "its a gut vote". Make a case on someone or catch a scum with the item questions and I'll be happy to change my vote and put it to good/better use, but till then I'll let it sit with my only lead, no matter how crappy the reason is for it to be there.

Second post that essentially avoids giving any kind of reasoning (nevermind airtight) as to your vote, in essence you are asking the rest of us to allow you to bandwagon ortolan without having to explain yourself. You "flat out" say it's a gut vote. So I'm "flat out" voting for you.

When I look at the ortolan wagon, I see three votes from people I'm not confident in.

When I look at Shadow Knight's wagon, I see.. I guess one.

I'm happy with my vote where it is. And I would recommend that everyone look at the two current wagons and make your own evaluations of those 10 voting players and see if you can identify which wagon is scum-driven.

[populartajo]

Mora, you think Ortolan answered good enough?

IMO, the questions and the answers were ambigous enough to get a definite read of him.

Let me think in a question.

And for the record, Im willing to lynch Shadow Knight and Looker.

Even more, where the hell is this guy?

[Moratorium]

Mora, you think Ortolan answered good enough?

Probably not. But there are negative consequences to asking item questions.

There aren't a lot of negative consequences to evaluating existing bandwagons.

[populartajo]

Mora, you think Ortolan answered good enough?

Probably not. But there are negative consequences to asking item questions.

There aren't a lot of negative consequences to evaluating existing bandwagons.

I agree and I encorage everyone to do this and stop saying my plan prevented scumhunting because it didnt.

-ortolan (5): populartajo, Shadow Knight, AceMarksman, zwetschenwasser, Gorrad
-Shadow Knight (5): Moratorium, ortolan, Looker, qwints, semioldguy

Mora, you think one of these guys is scum and the other is town?

[Moratorium]

-ortolan (5): populartajo, Shadow Knight, AceMarksman, zwetschenwasser, Gorrad
-Shadow Knight (5): Moratorium, ortolan, Looker, qwints, semioldguy

Mora, you think one of these guys is scum and the other is town?

I haven't ruled it out.