MKM II GAME OVER

[semioldguy]

don't have long to post today, I'm just going to pop in and say kast's suggestion that there was no night 0 and therefore no conversation between scum is rubbing me the wrong way. There is normally pre-game chatter between scum, regardless of whether or not there is a Night 0.

The quicktopic for the first Mushroom Kingdom Mafia allowed for discussion during the confirmation stage.

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-populartajo (3): zwetschenwasser, ortolan, Empking
-sirdanilot (1): Gorrad
-ortolan (1): populartajo

Not voting (11): killa seven, Kast, ZEEnon, Riceballtail, Looker, sirdanilot, Moratorium, semioldguy, WeyounsLastClone, caf19, AceMarksman

With 16 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[Kast]

@Ace-
-I went back and compared with MKM1. MKM1 has the same Day 1 start rule and the mod specifically mentions that scum can begin nighttalking when he announces that role PMs are out.

Contrast with MKM2, he has the same Day 1 start rule but does not mention nighttalking when he announces that role PMs are out.

This isn't conclusive and I doubt Mod will clarify, but doesn't hurt to ask.

@Mod-

Do we know whether any scum groups were able to communicate prior to the beginning of Day 1?

Mod: I don't think I'm going to answer that question

-Do you have any other suggestions to explain Yoshi knowing the BA items but Toad not knowing them?

[semioldguy]

-Do you have any other suggestions to explain Yoshi knowing the BA items but Toad not knowing them?

I have a suggestion to potentially explain this, but as the question is directed at someone else I'll hold on to my suggestion until Ace responds.

[AceMarksman]

Kast: I have no idea :/. It's really perplexing.

[Gorrad]

Caf, I always lurk D1. If you feel the urge to see some games, I can link them, including a few where I was lynched for doing so.

Kast, you're basically asking me to point out games where I did something that I don't see myself doing. It's like asking a professor if he has a history of being an idiot, or an athlete if he's ever sucked before.

[Kast]

@Gorrad-
Not really. Given that I'm not the only person who has expressed similar opinions about your posts, I find it extremely likely that other players would also express similar opinions if you posted in a similar manner in other games. Those would be the games you should link.

It is more akin to asking a professor if he can provide reference to previous papers that received negative reviews for similar reasons, or asking an athlete if he had any previous games or matches where he played while showing signs of being injured.

If you honestly have never had a game before where other players commented that you were making unjustified assumptions or using craplogic, then this clearly marks a departure from your normal playstyle.

[populartajo]

@Kast, please., I know you really can say what you want to say in two or three lines.

Please dont post enormous wall of texts since usually people will skip them. This is an advice.

@Gorrad, why havent you answered Orto accusations?

[Gorrad]

Oh, I'm sure I've had them before, but I'm not one to remember the specifics of negative events. It would make me all downbeat. Try PYP3. I recall playing exceptionally poorly that game, and I'm sure someone insulted me there too.

[Gorrad]

@Gorrad, why havent you answered Orto accusations?

Which ones, now?

[semioldguy]

-Do you have any other suggestions to explain Yoshi knowing the BA items but Toad not knowing them?

Kast: I have no idea :/. It's really perplexing.

Since Ace has no idea I'll chip in my thought on it. My thought was that it might not be that Toad didn't know anything about the items, that in actuality he did know, but that all the scum wouldn't all want to jump onto the same list.

[zwetschenwasser]

GAH! This is very frustrating to me, but I really can't reveal that information now, but an aspect of his behavior yesterday is exactly what he would do as scum trying to get townies of his trail.

[Moratorium]

...but an aspect of his behavior yesterday is exactly what he would do as scum trying to get townies of his trail.

...that aspect being?

[zwetschenwasser]

I can't tell you. Are you trying to get me modkilled? It's something he was blatantly doing.

[Moratorium]

Are you trying to get me modkilled?

That sounds... delicious.

[zwetschenwasser]

Emasculate: Moratorium

[AceMarksman]

-Do you have any other suggestions to explain Yoshi knowing the BA items but Toad not knowing them?

Kast: I have no idea :/. It's really perplexing.

Since Ace has no idea I'll chip in my thought on it. My thought was that it might not be that Toad didn't know anything about the items, that in actuality he did know, but that all the scum wouldn't all want to jump onto the same list.

The thing about this is that how would the scum have forseen tajo's plan with enough accuracy to say "don't all of us claim that we know what the BA items do." Is there an explanation you can see for this? I can think of one, but I'm holding off for now.

[populartajo]

The thing is why would SK scum claim that he didnt have item descriptions when the plan was obv to lynch one of these guys?

[zwetschenwasser]

To make you look pro-town today. Can't anyone else see this?

[populartajo]

To make you look pro-town today. Can't anyone else see this?

Zwet you are wasting your time here.

I did what I did because Im town not because I am scum trying to look protown.

[zwetschenwasser]

It was a calculated scum gambit. I am 99% sure of it.

[Moratorium]

So your saying that Shadow Knight predicted that the item claim plan would get him lynched, and so then claimed that he had no item descriptions five days after the game started, all as an elaborate Day 1 self-bussing maneuver to put tajo in a better light?

Did I hear that correctly?

[zwetschenwasser]

YES

[Moratorium]

Awesome. Thank you.

vote: Zwets

[zwetschenwasser]

*facepalm*

[Gorrad]

Zwets always plays like this.