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Post Post #1100 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 4:12 am

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Ortolan you conveniently missed this:
populartajo wrote:Ort, lest go thorugh this step by step, shall we?
Tajo wrote:His first post of the game was a vote for Shadow Knight showing a bizarre connection with the Ort-SK dilemma, evne though he hadnt finished reading the thread then.
What do you think of this opinion of Looker?

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-populartajo (3): zwetschenwasser, ortolan, Empking
-sirdanilot (1): Gorrad
-ortolan (1): populartajo
-zwetschenwasser (3): Moratorium, AceMarksman, caf19

Not voting (8): killa seven, Kast, ZEEnon, Riceballtail, Looker, sirdanilot, semioldguy, WeyounsLastClone

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Post Post #1101 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 4:42 am

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ortolan wrote:
Moratorium wrote: A flipped scum attempted to paint four particular players as scum very early on in the game, just as a passing comment. As there's little reason to bus so many scumbuddies that early, I would tend to believe those four players are more townie on average, based on that statement.
Which post was this and who did he point to?
Post 342, Page 14. At that moment in time, the following four people were refusing to divulge whether they had item information.

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I note that you may already have known the answers to your questions, and note the purpose of then asking the question anyways. So my response includes a healthy dose of "You easily could have found this information yourself."
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Post Post #1102 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 4:57 am

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Page 11. My brain can't handle more than like 6 pages or so per day. Luckily this game isn't full of textwalls so it might go a bit quicker but that effect is eliminated by me not having my own computer right now.
ortolan wrote:sirdanilot maybe you could just answer Gorrad???

Why are you in this game??? What is the flavour for you entering the game, and are you Mushroom Kingdom?
oh. K. The ground came closer and closer and then I was in a dark place with several people I don't know. I suppose that fits 'jumping in'?

Not giving anything else right now.
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Post Post #1103 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:10 am

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...so you're not Mushroom Kingdom?
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Post Post #1104 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:21 am

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I'm Kamek. One of my abilities is to summon vanilla townies from the waiting list, though it costs many coins to do so. That's how I know their flavor. If Sirdan had said he was summoned or brought here by a player then I'd know he was anti-town, as I'm almost positive I'm the only townie with this power.

As it is, what I thought was that maybe either players just wandered in like in the games from offscreen as it were. Sirdan seems to have made up his flavor to fit 'jumping in', when I'm rather positive it's not literal jumping. Therefore, I believe his claim is falsified, and he was brought here by an external, anti-town force.

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Post Post #1105 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:36 am

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So... wait... you are saying you used your "Summon Vanilla Townie" power, a person was apparently brought in from the jumped in list, but now you are saying that person isn't a vanilla townie at all because they couldn't confirm something?

So.... your Summon Vanilla Townie power failed then?

So... this makes no sense at all then?

I don't think you thought this fakeclaim through.

Jesus, I can't believe you are making me have to delay lynching Zwets.

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Post Post #1106 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:36 am

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I'm not sure if Zwet is scummy personally.
Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi
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Post Post #1107 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:40 am

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No, I'm saying I did NOT use the power. Therefore someone else did. I'm the one who can do it for the town, so therefore he was brought here by scum.
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Post Post #1108 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:42 am

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Unvote

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His Gorrad vote or rather his reasons.
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Post Post #1109 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:44 am

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I don't like that you claimed. If you are telling the truth, and if you are correct about your assessment that there is an anti-town version of your claim, then you just outed yourself and scum can now eliminate town's ability to "call in reinforcements" as it were.

So you didn't just out yourself, you cost us several future townies when you end up getting NK'd.
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Post Post #1110 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:45 am

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Yes, yes, calm down Empking, give me a chance to get my response in.
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Post Post #1111 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:47 am

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Gorrad wrote: though it costs many coins to do so.
Gorrad wrote: you cost us several future townies
EBWOP: More than 0 future townies.
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Post Post #1112 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:47 am

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Moratorium, trust me. I know PRECISELY what I'm doing.
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Post Post #1113 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:49 am

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vote: Zwets
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Post Post #1114 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:49 am

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Gorrad wrote: I know PRECISELY what I'm doing.
Famous words, those.
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Post Post #1115 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:49 am

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I suppose they are at that.
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Post Post #1116 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 5:57 am

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Gorrad wrote: As it is, what I thought was that maybe either players just wandered in like in the games from offscreen as it were. Sirdan seems to have made up his flavor to fit 'jumping in', when I'm rather positive it's not literal jumping. Therefore, I believe his claim is falsified, and he was brought here by an external, anti-town force.
As far as this portion and your suspicion of sirdanilot, I'm not sure why you are putting so much emphasis on flavor. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that sirdanilot is suspicious specifically because this...
sirdanilot wrote: The ground came closer and closer and then I was in a dark place...
is to you less plausible than this...
made up flavor wrote: I wandered in and then I was in a dark place...
So you are guessing at how the mod would have described his entrance flavor, and that's your reasoning for a vote.

Your claim seems fine... for now... but I don't follow you as far as the vote is concerned.
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Post Post #1117 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 6:07 am

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Ok, how's this:

How could anyone jump and fall down into a castle? As it's pitch dark, there's obviously no opening to the sky.
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Post Post #1118 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 6:13 am

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Gorrad wrote:I'm Kamek. One of my abilities is to summon vanilla townies from the waiting list, though it costs many coins to do so. That's how I know their flavor. If Sirdan had said he was summoned or brought here by a player then I'd know he was anti-town, as I'm almost positive I'm the only townie with this power.

As it is, what I thought was that maybe either players just wandered in like in the games from offscreen as it were. Sirdan seems to have made up his flavor to fit 'jumping in', when I'm rather positive it's not literal jumping. Therefore, I believe his claim is falsified, and he was brought here by an external, anti-town force.

Confirm Vote: Sirdanilot
Why do you think you are the only townie with this power with the amount of people in the ready to jump list?

And if we analyse "bringing new players" abilities, I really think it fits more a protown ability.

Imagine this scenario. There are 1 scum and 4 townies alive. You lynch a townie and go to night with 1 scum and 3 townies alive. Imagine the power that scum would have if they can bring another scum to the party, nk one townie and win in the next day. So what apparently was an advantage to town (1 scum vs 4 townies) becomes gg in the next day only using this ability once.

Im leaning to believe Gorrad right now. I dont agree with his logic but there is not reason why he would out himself to incriminate Sirdanilot if he were scum.
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Post Post #1119 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 6:25 am

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I believe I'm the only townie with the role because it's called create koopa and unless there's another Magikoopa out there, no one else has the power of creation for them.\

Now that I think a bit more on it, there may be another way...

Let's see if another person jumps in between tonight and tomorrow. It costs so many coins, I think one person being able to do it twice is nigh-unthinkable, and if someone else has the power they wouldn't use it if this plan's in place because it would confirm Sirdan.

The more I think on this, the more I like it.
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Post Post #1120 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 6:27 am

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Gorrad wrote: Ok, how's this:

How could anyone jump and fall down into a castle? As it's pitch dark, there's obviously no opening to the sky.
A retractable dome.

Now please explain how my stupid answer makes any less sense than wandering in for this game based on a video game
where plumbers fight turtles with fireballs
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Post Post #1121 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 6:27 am

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@Gorrad-
You suspected him and set a trap, when the trap fails, you ignore it and decide he is scummy anyway. Confirmation bias.

@Sirdanilot-
Tajo's right, you avoided answering that question. What faction are you part of?

@Mora-
It would help oh so much if you could link to those posts you took the trouble to reference us to.

Also, to clarify, the 4/17 that I listed were just pulled from Tajo's list at the end of the day. Your list makes more sense in context of when Qwint's actually made his comment. It doesn't change my thought that Qwint's comment does not necessarily mean that the distribution of non-MK players within those 4 players is significantly higher than any other random sample of 4 players.

@Catching SK-
I think the claiming indirectly led to SK's lynch. The deciding factor really seems to be Ace's questioning about item buying and item usage. He had some pressure already from Ort's scum hunting, but I think that catch by Ace was what tipped things over (indirect result of the item claiming).

I think Semioldguy's speculation makes a lot of sense and answers the SK question pretty well. SK very likely had access to BA item information and probably had no limitations on item usage. He was probably being honest that he can't buy BA items but that would be because he is MK and not BA.
I'd hazard a guess that nobody on MK or any non BA faction can buy BA items since trading would essentially mean any player within that faction has access to those items.


@Ace-
The item claiming plan was no more "sound" on Day 1 than it is today. The very risk that has now been confirmed was raised more than once. There were other objections as well. The town decided to push ahead with the plan despite it's risks.

@Ort's question about Tajo-
That said, I think Tajo's persistence and posts reflect an earnest (mistaken) belief that his plan was "game-breaking". This attitude makes him look pro-town.
Actually, to be more clear, I think Tajo seemed genuinely convinced that his plan would help him, and I don't think it was aimed at helping the MK
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I don't like that he tried backing out of SK's lynch at end of day, however, I don't think anything he said at that point had any chance of actually protecting SK. It looks like distancing but no intent to save (also no danger of no lynch).

The speculation that Tajo may be a third party player actually fits better considering this. In the previous game, the third parties were concerned with collecting coins. The item claiming plan aids that objective by narrowing down players who are more likely to have coins/able to purchase items.

@Zwet lynch-
Zwet is random, and I find I mostly ignore him (and he mostly ignores me). He's looking to get reactions out of people.

If he looks like he is actively harming the town, I would be actively in favor of his lynch. Fortunately, everyone realizes that he makes no sense and nobody is about to be swayed by his craplogic. Atm, I think the greatest disservice he is doing is distracting players from trying to actually scumhunt and/or pressure the lurkers to post and/or get prodded/replaced.

If he starts using his vote in an anti-town manner (ie. placing people at L-1 without warning, hammering or attempting to hammer) or if someone finds something actually scummy about him, I could see a Zwet lynch being appropriate.

To be clear, I am not opposed to Zwet's lynch but I think we should focus elsewhere until/unless Zwet does something more significant that being stupid/random.
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Post Post #1122 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 6:29 am

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populartajo wrote:Im leaning to believe Gorrad right now. I dont agree with his logic but there is not reason why he would out himself to incriminate Sirdanilot if he were scum.
Agree with this thought.
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Post Post #1123 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 6:30 am

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Moratorium wrote:A retractable dome.

Now please explain how my stupid answer makes any less sense than wandering in for this game based on a video game
where plumbers fight turtles with fireballs
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I have no answer for this.
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Post Post #1124 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2009 6:33 am

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I have a better idea.

Unvote Vote : zwet.


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