MKM II GAME OVER

[Gorrad]

You're you? AKA scummy as sin. That AND, keep in mind, our LAST scum also claimed a kind of immunity. One of the Mushroom Kingdom items is a Fireflower. If it kills, you'd know that it kills with fire if you were scum, so you could know how to make the fakeclaim.

There's also a small role-based tidbit I'll share tomorrow.

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-zwetschenwasser (5): AceMarksman, caf19, Moratorium, populartajo, Gorrad
-populartajo (2): zwetschenwasser, ortolan
-Moratorium (1): Empking
-Looker (1): Kast
-Gorrad (1): WeyounsLastClone

Not voting (6): killa seven, ZEEnon, Riceballtail, Looker, sirdanilot, semioldguy

With 16 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[WeyounsLastClone]

I suppose with a 1-up shroom they can bring a MK killed person back to life. A star would imply some kind of invulnerability alltogether. Seems enough for scum to me without also having the power to bring even more people in.

If you think the 1-up mushroom can bring dead scum back to life is there a reason that now alive scum wouldn't just "jump in?" If the same player came back I think it would make that person a near auto lynch if they died as scum.

Stupid, I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right. It wouldn't bring back the same player, but another player could take over a role that was previously killed. Anyway, I doubt scum would/could use a 1-up shroom night 1.

[zwetschenwasser]

You're you? AKA scummy as sin. That AND, keep in mind, our LAST scum also claimed a kind of immunity. One of the Mushroom Kingdom items is a Fireflower. If it kills, you'd know that it kills with fire if you were scum, so you could know how to make the fakeclaim.

There's also a small role-based tidbit I'll share tomorrow.

Nice scumclaim.

[Gorrad]

You're you? AKA scummy as sin. That AND, keep in mind, our LAST scum also claimed a kind of immunity. One of the Mushroom Kingdom items is a Fireflower. If it kills, you'd know that it kills with fire if you were scum, so you could know how to make the fakeclaim.

There's also a small role-based tidbit I'll share tomorrow.

Nice scumclaim.

/facepalm

[WeyounsLastClone]

You're you? AKA scummy as sin. That AND, keep in mind, our LAST scum also claimed a kind of immunity. One of the Mushroom Kingdom items is a Fireflower. If it kills, you'd know that it kills with fire if you were scum, so you could know how to make the fakeclaim.

There's also a small role-based tidbit I'll share tomorrow.

Nice scumclaim.

How is it a scumclaim? I'm not sure, but posting more than two words won't hurt you.

[Empking]

You're you? AKA scummy as sin. That AND, keep in mind, our LAST scum also claimed a kind of immunity. One of the Mushroom Kingdom items is a Fireflower. If it kills, you'd know that it kills with fire if you were scum, so you could know how to make the fakeclaim.

There's also a small role-based tidbit I'll share tomorrow.

Nice scumclaim.

Are you saying that because you think Gorrad's info is that you're both scum together?

[ortolan]

zwet is town.

lynch WLC/tajo in either order please

[zwetschenwasser]

No, but I know I'm town, and if Gorrad has info that I'm scum, he must be blatantly lying.

[WeyounsLastClone]

zwet is town.

If zwet himself can't, can you explain why zwet is town?

[ortolan]

I know why he is likely town, but I'm not telling you.

[zwetschenwasser]

That's helpful. *rolls eyes*

[Moratorium]

So Gorrad has secret information that claims Zwets is scum...

And ortolan has secret information that claims Zwets is town?

This game.

[zwetschenwasser]

So Gorrad has secret information that claims Zwets is scum...

And ortolan has secret information that claims Zwets is town?

This game.

QFT

[WeyounsLastClone]

I'm not one to really point out on lurking, as I've done it quite a lot myself, but I was rereading the threat and got a bad feeling with ZEEnon's posts.

For example:

I'd vote Shadow Knight if I could.. why isn't he lynched yet?

Couple of his posts later (which are almost always neutral comments)

I have a feeling that Shadow Knight is sided with the Bowser.
Can everyone on his wagon justify their vote?

His last post was almost a week ago, so I hope he can come back and have little bit more input.

[ZEEnon]

I'm here! The fact that you tried pushing a lynch on someone that was V/LA is noted.

[zwetschenwasser]

He's swaying with general town opinion.

[WeyounsLastClone]

@ZEEnon: As far as I reread, you didn't mention V/LA in this thread, nor is it in your signature. The fact that you don't post at all, unless you're called in question is noted.

@zwet: I don't know if you mean me with swaying with general town opinion, but if you do you're wrong. I'm currently the only one voting Gorrad, and looking at ZEEnon isn't particularly what town was doing anyway. Following town opinion at this point would be voting you.

[Moratorium]

Zeenon, where did you state you were V/LA?

(Wasn't there just a thread in GD about lying about V/LA?)

[Looker]

i dont believe you

::serious face::

[Moratorium]

I'd like to ask a side question...

Do we have four zwets in this game? As in, four people that post little snippets of uselessness and then vanish?

Zwets
Empking
killa seven
Looker

Am I wrong about this observation? Has this become the new Mafiascum trend lately? Are games just going to become glorified scumchat mockups?

Anyways. /hijack. Back to the game.

[populartajo]

Ortolan, you are playing dumb in the Looker case. You know what I am talkign about.

His first

SERIOUS

post of the game was a vote for Shadow Knight showing a bizarre connection with the Ort-SK dilemma, evne though he hadnt finished reading the thread then.

What do you make of this and stop playing the retarded card. Ok, if we assume you are town, does it seem strange that his first

SERIOUS

post of the game is a vote for a flipped scum?

I agree with this and actually kind of brought it up at the beginning of the game (Post 71). Recall that before going with the item claiming plan, tajo wanted a full massclaim (although he later claimed not to). I speculated he was some sort of a "punisher" role (which are included in themed games specifically to avoid mass role/name claiming, by having a wincon to say, eat someone in particular or a certain role type in particular [a la Serum & Steel mini theme]).

So before I was scum defending SK and now Im third party punsiher role.

Ugh, ortolan

REALLY

wants me lynched no matter what. And is still obviously sucking Kast.

Also note: In tajo's 1124 he, for some reason, asked zwet to claim (at L-4). Convention dictates one claims at L-1, not L-4.

Conventions can kiss my ass. Zwet is playing an awful game, making baseless assumptions. If he doesnt start making sense I dont care if he dies since he is not giving any benefits to town.

Why did you first think zwet was town and then you said he was likely town?

[populartajo]

Also, I want eveyrone interested in winning this game to read this game (5 pages only), specially the Looker contributions and compare it with his contributions here.

viewtopic.php?t=11343&start=100

So ort can shut his big mouth and stop posting "lolpop, Looker is retarded, you fail"

Looker is not retarded and is playing the retarded card here. His first post of the game is a weak vote for a flipped scum and he admitted that he hadnt reread the game yet.

Why hasnt he been lynched yet?

[ortolan]

Ortolan, you are playing dumb in the Looker case. You know what I am talkign about.

His first

SERIOUS

post of the game was a vote for Shadow Knight showing a bizarre connection with the Ort-SK dilemma, evne though he hadnt finished reading the thread then.

What do you make of this and stop playing the retarded card. Ok, if we assume you are town, does it seem strange that his first

SERIOUS

post of the game is a vote for a flipped scum?

No I didn't know what you were talking about, because you made a vague reference to his "first post of the game", which I then went and found, and didn't contain what you'd referred to. Please in future quote the post or provide a post number.

And yes, I agree, the conclusion by him was poor logic- there was no reason not to consider myself and Shadow Knight were both town (him being very scummy-town in that case). However I don't know how this is scummy. Are you suggesting all three of us are scum together and he was trying to create an exclusivity between myself and Shadow Knight both being scum? That seems like

a bit

of a stretch. Scumbuddies don't generally vote each other with bad and scummy reasons then bus harder than anything in the world, then have a third scumbuddy force an "either/or" link which

guarantees

one or the other will get lynched.

So the conclusion is, yes, poor logic, but you've failed to explain how it is poor logic with potentially scummy motives, rather than just a post of expected quality content from Looker.

Ok, if we assume you are town, does it seem strange that his first

SERIOUS

post of the game is a vote for a flipped scum?

Um...no?

Also, I want eveyrone interested in winning this game to read this game (5 pages only), specially the Looker contributions and compare it with his contributions here.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=100

So ort can shut his big mouth and stop posting "lolpop, Looker is retarded, you fail"

Looker is not retarded and is playing the retarded card here. His first post of the game is a weak vote for a flipped scum and he admitted that he hadnt reread the game yet.

Why hasnt he been lynched yet?

Hey, Kast was the first to suggest he was retarded

Looker:

post content in this game of similar or superior quality and length in this game to that which tajo linked or I will vote you. Cheers

Oh, and while we're on the point about "forcing a decision between ortolan and Shadow Knight":

Mora, you think one of these guys is scum and the other is town?

Granted that was supposedly prompted by Moratorium suggesting my wagon was scum-driven, but it's not far off what you're accusing Looker of here, ironically.

Why did you first think zwet was town and then you said he was likely town?

Role-based reasons. I don't intend to be more specific at this point.

[Moratorium]

Ok, if we assume you are town, does it seem strange that his first SERIOUS post of the game is a vote for a flipped scum?

What's the purpose of this question? Why would voting for someone who ends up scum be a bad thing?

[sirdanilot]

page 30 am I now.